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I think one should be able to question how Prog the material was, and to be able to question whether or not that "Prog-Pop" should extended to cover things that are already covered by "80s Pop." Another thing "Prog-Pop" is such a wide an umbrella term, it is practically useless. Just because the bulk of Prog was album oriented doesn't mean that Prog didn't have the occasional single. One can argue that Money, Take a Pebble, Lucky Man, Follow You Follow Me, Carpet of the Sun and a truncated version of I've Seen All Good People are also "Prog-Pop" cause those songs were released as singles, had moderate success on the Top 100/Top 40 charts, and were by Prog bands. Yet style-wise there is no correlation between those songs and songs on 90125, a "Prog-Pop" album. There was a lot of music from 80 to 83 that was better than TREY. The Cars, The Fixx, INXS, Duran Duran were all really good bands and crafted songs as good as any "Prog-Pop" band or even better than TREY. They all have the same ingredients: vocals/harmonies, bass, guitar, synth and drums. It would be strange to exclude bands cause they were considered "New Wave" and think the best TREY songs are somehow the best of what the 80s have to offer. Quote:
Clarence White - The Byrds Mick Taylor - The Rolling Stones Lindsey Buckingham - Fleetwood Mac Jo Callis - The Human League John Frusciante - RHCP Dave Navaro - RHCP Ben Sheppard - Soundgarden Wait a minute we are talking about Yes, every new member somehow change the sound of Yes. I don't see Yes having chart success in the 80s as anything that unique, that it only happened to Yes. There were plenty of bands and artist that had success in the charts during the 80s that really didn't have it during the bulk of the 70s. Steve Winwood had a hit with the Spencer Davis Group then later in the 80s as a solo artist. Dionne Warwick had hits with Bacharach & David songs during the 60s, not much happened during the 70s, then had hits again in the 80s. The Kinks had Lola in the early 70, then didn't have a hit like an actual Top 10 till the 80s. Eddy Grant had a hit with The Equals during the 60s, then with Electric Avenue in 82/83. Rush and Genesis were there along with Yes enjoy pop success too. In short I don't see Trevor Rabin pulling a rabbit out of the hat. 90125 is not innovative as it conformed to other 80s music that was popular at the time. And it was made to be get into the charts ergo Pop music. I don't think 90125 lives up the hype. Sorry ![]()
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Tbh, I multi-quoted as you see, and when I got to that quote I'd forgotten what I wanted to say, why I had included it, so I just dad-joked my way out of it. Us old people need our sleep, you know, or we get so cranky.
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That's fine. I'll bet you'll come back to it at some point and find that some of the songs grew on you when you least expected it. I dismissed 90125 and Big Generator for a long time after all.
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fwiw I love 90125
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Sorry that your arguments didn't work on me. I can be persuaded though ... sometimes. The album "Genesis" was one in their catalog that I never really payed much attention to, until I came across Trollheart's ire for the album. Being rather stunned by his comments, and rather curious about them too, I played the album to see whether he was right or wrong. I diligently studied the album looking for any and all mistakes - not really finding any. The album became on of my favorites of theirs. "Taking It All Too Hard" is such a great song. (I will allow you to refer to it as a "Prog-Pop" song if you have the irresistible inclination to call it as such.) It didn't score high on the charts, much much lower on the charts than the singles that follow it. Kinda shows at what is popular isn't a really good gauge to what is good music. I gave a few examples of bands I like that I think wrote better songs. However I don't know how solid you would consider their albums, but their music appeals to me much more than what's on 90125. your hand: Yes - 90125 (November 7th, 1983) Trevor Rabin Era Yes - The Best of TREY (an Anteater compilation) read 'em and weep: Journey - E5C4P3 (July 31, 1981) Saga - Worlds Apart (September 1981) The Cars - Shake It Up (November 6, 1981) Asia - Asia (March, 1982) Rush - Signals (September 9, 1982) INXS - Shabooh Shoobah (October 1982) The Fixx - Reach the Beach (May 15th, 1983) Genesis - Genesis (October 3rd, 1983)
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90125 is better than all those albums except Signals.
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Alan Parsons Project - Turn Of A Friendly Card (1980) King Crimson - Discipline (1981) Zebra - Zebra (1983) Yes - 90125 (1983) It Bites - Once Around The World (1988) Giraffe - The View From Here (1988) Tears For Fears - The Seeds Of Love (1989)
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I'd also add (I have Neapolitan on ignore but I see him quoted by you and would like to set the story straight on what he says I say about Genesis, the album) that any real ire I have (being from Ireland I do have a lot of ire - take that!)
![]() Invisible Touch went more or less back to the Abacab format, they got a little back to basics with We Can't Dance (though much of it is pure pop it's good pure pop, unlike the turd that is Abacab) and then Calling All Stations had its moment but was a poor shadow of albums like Duke and Wind and Wuthering, and it was probably best they gave it all up as a bad job at that point. Tealdear: I hate Abacab much more than I hate Genesis, though I kind of dislike both.
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