Definition of classic rock?

OccultHawk · 07-23-2017, 12:10 PM

With a much better singer they could be a sorry imitation of the White Stripes.

Blue Hawk · 07-23-2017, 12:13 PM

Definition of classic rock.

**Frownland** · 07-23-2017, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Which kind of makes it ridiculous that a band operating in 2017 can be dubbed "classic rock". As others have said, classic rock style, maybe, but not classic rock. I'd also argue against Frown's definition of prog rock (well, I'd argue with Frown over the colour of the sky, but you know...) as that has clearly defined tenets and characteristics, so that it's easy enough to pin down a band who should be called prog rock (long, interminable keyboard instrumentals, non-standard lyrics, different time signatures, long, epic, multi-part songs, use of things like harp, mandolin, flute etc - you know all the usual ones) and while they may not be seen as truly "progressive" in the literal meaning of the word, the genre itself no longer really means that, it is again in a style popularised and created by 70s bands like Yes, Genesis and ELP, and newer bands like Spock's Beard, IQ, Arena et al continue that legacy.

So what you're saying is symphonic prog has tenets. I just don't think they should abuse that word and should be referred to more specifically than progressive rock. And I would argue that the genre should still be ablut progression because it's in the damn name. Same with conscious hip hop. Are you really that woke if you were saying the same basic **** that Nas was throwing down in the 90s?

rostasi · 07-23-2017, 01:01 PM

Classic Rock (4,030,000,000 years old)

or

Whichever is older.

Moss · 07-23-2017, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

oh god make it stop please

Wow. Any royalties should go straight to swan song or Peter Grant or wherever that **** goes.

Trollheart · 07-23-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

So what you're saying is symphonic prog has tenets. I just don't think they should abuse that word and should be referred to more specifically than progressive rock. And I would argue that the genre should still be ablut progression because it's in the damn name. Same with conscious hip hop. Are you really that woke if you were saying the same basic **** that Nas was throwing down in the 90s?

Well, I would argue those tenets apply to any progressive rock, even prog metal at times. However I do agree with you; it's definitely not progressive, not in the way your experimental/drone/noise/whatever stuff is. But until we come up with a new word (please, no wank rock!) we're stuck with it, and I prefer it because I know when I see the tag that there's a good chance I'll like it. Something that does annoy me is Progressive Trance, I think it is? I see it around a lot. What the hell is that?

As for the genre being about progression, well that was easy in the seventies, when all this stuff was new. Now there's not so much different that can be attempted, and if you go too far off the path you wander into experimental territory, which I guess wasn't really a thing in the seventies, at least not as it is now. So again, we're stuck. I would certainly agree that bands I listen to have done nothing to advance the cause of music, ie progress it forward, but that doesn't stop me liking them. The only one I'd give a pass to in that regard would be Marillion, who, along with Radiohead, were one of the first to go for the "pay what you like" business model, and also one of the first to get fans to pre-pay for (essentially I guess finance) their next albums. So that's pretty progressive. Musically, without a question, not in the least, not even close.

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Originally Posted by rostasi

Classic Rock (4,030,000,000 years old)

or

Whichever is older.

Excellent.

Also

**Frownland** · 07-23-2017, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Well, I would argue those tenets apply to any progressive rock, even prog metal at times. However I do agree with you; it's definitely not progressive, not in the way your experimental/drone/noise/whatever stuff is. But until we come up with a new word (please, no wank rock!) we're stuck with it, and I prefer it because I know when I see the tag that there's a good chance I'll like it. Something that does annoy me is Progressive Trance, I think it is? I see it around a lot. What the hell is that?

Symphonic jazz rock?

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As for the genre being about progression, well that was easy in the seventies, when all this stuff was new. Now there's not so much different that can be attempted, and if you go too far off the path you wander into experimental territory, which I guess wasn't really a thing in the seventies, at least not as it is now. So again, we're stuck. I would certainly agree that bands I listen to have done nothing to advance the cause of music, ie progress it forward, but that doesn't stop me liking them. The only one I'd give a pass to in that regard would be Marillion, who, along with Radiohead, were one of the first to go for the "pay what you like" business model, and also one of the first to get fans to pre-pay for (essentially I guess finance) their next albums. So that's pretty progressive. Musically, without a question, not in the least, not even close.

Of course there are different ways to progress, it always just seems like everything has been done because innovation wouldn't be innovative if it was already in the picture. Plus, a lot of prog bands in the 70s like King Crimson were pretty experimental. There are a lot of experimental rock bands that I would call progressive rock, like Perhaps or Massacre. Most self proclaimed progressive rock bands don't really reflect what I'd like the genre to be, so I think they should be xalled something else.

The Batlord · 07-23-2017, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

so I think they should be xalled something else.

I got xalled once. Couldn't sit down for a week.

Trollheart · 07-23-2017, 04:01 PM

I often feel something like Drama Rock or the like might suit. Keyboard Drama? Buck Drama? Banana Drama? Dramarama?

HisGrace · 08-28-2017, 01:18 PM

I'd call it rock produced roughly between the years of 65-76. After the initial rock and roll period (Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, early Beatles/Beach Boys et al) and before punk and new wave emerged and influenced everything starting in the late 70's. Recent acts who take on a 60's/70's revival sound, like Britpop bands like Oasis and Blur for instance, could also be called classic rock, IMO. You might exclude particularly experimental or avant garde stuff from the classic rock label too. For instance I've always thought people referring to The Velvet Underground or early Freak Out! era Frank Zappa as classic rock was weird since they sound so much different from what is generally considered classic rock.

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rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	Classic Rock (4,030,000,000 years old) or Whichever is older.

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HisGrace Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 60	I'd call it rock produced roughly between the years of 65-76. After the initial rock and roll period (Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, early Beatles/Beach Boys et al) and before punk and new wave emerged and influenced everything starting in the late 70's. Recent acts who take on a 60's/70's revival sound, like Britpop bands like Oasis and Blur for instance, could also be called classic rock, IMO. You might exclude particularly experimental or avant garde stuff from the classic rock label too. For instance I've always thought people referring to The Velvet Underground or early Freak Out! era Frank Zappa as classic rock was weird since they sound so much different from what is generally considered classic rock.