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Old 06-08-2009, 12:42 PM   #771 (permalink)
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Pet Sounds was influenced by The Beatles Rubber Soul and I think those two albums are more complimentary to each other. To insinuate that the Beatles had no originality, especially on Revolver, is a farce.

1966 was a great year for music.
That's a great way to say it.

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The Beatles didn't split up because of Yoko.
They spilt up because they knew the Stones were making Exile On Main Street and the bluesy & jazzy tinged rock on it would go on to inspire & dominate the 70s and that their sugar coated nursery rhymes were a tired & dated relic from the 60s. Plus there's no way in hell they could compete with an album that relied on roots , soul & spontaneity rather than studio trickery & trying to one up Brian Wilson.

The above statement is the type of things stones fans would come up with if they were anything like Beatles Fans.

Yeah, I guess so. For a second there I thought you were just trying to stir people up

Is there some sort or divine force that prevents people from being fans of both bands?
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:51 PM   #772 (permalink)
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Is there some sort or divine force that prevents people from being fans of both bands?
Yes, Beatles fanboys

I don't actually mind both. But so much shit is written praising the Beatles at the detriment of the Stones that whenever you find yourself taking issue with it you get labelled as a Beatles hater.
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:51 PM   #773 (permalink)
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i like a handful of songs from both bands, i don't think either one ever recorded a masterpiece but there are certainly good albums between them both.

though i have yet to meet a rabid Stones fan as moronic as most Beatles fans i run across.
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:53 PM   #774 (permalink)
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I believe it was the White Album that was the being of the "waning" period of Beatlemania.
Beatlemania was coined to discribe all the screaming fans at concerts etc., where were the screaming fans at when they stopped touring???

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First of all, if you knew anything about the history behind that album, it was Lennons conscious decision to change direction from pysch-pop, the uniforms and the hoopla in general. They got down-right scruffy, grew long beards and radical changed their style.
Well, if you knew anything about any Beatle's historical albums you would know they were constantly changing their sound and image, Ad Nauseam!

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The record got very mixed reviews, and all those Sgt Pepper/Magical Mystery fans were deeply troubled and disappointed.
And so were the Beatlemania fans also deeply trouble and disappointed when they release the single/video, Strawberry Feilds Forever. And The Beatles album fans were deeply troubled and disappointed when they release We All Live In The Yellow Submarine, that too goes on Ad Nauseam.

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Frankly, they didn't get it. Even George Martin stated the album would have been better boiled down to one LP. .
And some say that Rubber Soul and Revovler should had been a "double album!"
And The Bealtes thought what Capitol Records rearranging their albums a capitol offense. So how an ablum should be release, and how many songs should be on it is another argurment that goes on Ad Nauseam.

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Your comment about concert performance is trival in comparason to the release and impact of the White Album.
wrong! The comment is trivia, not trival.
I don't know if you know that I know that Sgt. Pepper was more impactful on the general public then any album The Bealtes released, bar none, and that includes (or excludes whatever is the word I'm looking for) The Beatles aka The White Album.

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Old 06-08-2009, 12:57 PM   #775 (permalink)
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Is there some sort or divine force that prevents people from being fans of both bands?
I love both bands in equal measure, so I wouldn't say so. They're two of my favourite bands and they are for different and equally valid reasons, which is why I wouldn't really care to make a significant comment about who's better than the other.
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Beatlemania was coined to discribe all the screaming fans at concerts etc., where were the screaming fans at when they stopped touring???


Well, if you knew anything about any Beatle's historical albums you would know they were constantly changing their sound and image, Ad Nauseam!
Beatlemania was coined by the media in their attempt to mass market the Beatles harmless, clean-cut, asexual image to a bunch of teens. The Beatles were a cash cow for everyone including promoters, record companies, retailers and news organization. Stones, more threatening, didn't get close to the attention, even though, they too produced excellent, albeit a little racy, singles during this period. Lennon, to his credit, submarined the whole Beatlemania enterprise, by doing an album, like Beggars Banquet, of stripped-down and blues rock and folk oriented songs, which failed to produce the type of feel-good pop single from previous albums. Ironically, they too became threatening with songs like "Helter Skelter" "Revolution" 'Happiness is a Warm Gun" and others. Instead of comforting fans, The Beatles made them uncomfortable. Songs like "Revolution 9" scared the sh___t out of those little kids. To compare the the change of musical directions experienced between earlier albums to this is ridiculous, and completely naive. The media, feeling betrayed, no longer gave them as much coverage nor good reviews, the fans became disenchanted. Whether they chose to perform or not, was completely inconsequential. They simply weren't lovable anymore. They became "Stones-like". I'm eternally grateful for John Lennon, in making this grand artistic statement. If you can appreciate his intense desire to distance himself as a artist from the Beatles past, then you can better understand his decision to undertake the weirdness he created with Yoko. But I believe he made that decision to break from the past, before meeting her, so blaming her for the break up of the Beatles is ridiculous as well.
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I don't think it's easy to pinpoint the Beatles breakup. Brian Einstein's death is part of it, Lennon's disillusionment with the Beatles is another, and the whole Apple Corps fiasco adds another layer of muck to that mess. Yoko is kinds of the black sheep embodiment of all that chaos...not that I blame her in any way for the breakup. Still don't like her though.

Beatlemania *was* fueled by the media right before their arrival to America and their "clean cut" image was meticulously crafted by Brian Epstein. What you failed to mention is that The Stones image was manufactured to be just the opposite as the Beatles by their manager. It was a smart move.

I don't think that The White Album was a direct response to Beggar's Banquet at all. It does have bluesy tracks, but it kind of has a bit of everything. These bands fueled each other, that was the beauty of that time.
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i like them both i dunno, maybe the beatles
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Lennon, to his credit, submarined the whole Beatlemania enterprise, by doing an album, like Beggars Banquet,
wrong! The Rolling Stones did Beggars Banquet.

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of stripped-down and blues rock and folk oriented songs, which failed to produce the type of feel-good pop single from previous albums.
Hold on let me get my fishing boots on, OK I'm back, I glad I got them on because you are really shoveling the **** tonight, Wait a minute, what do you call Ob La Di Ob La Da? If that ain't feel good pop then what is?????? You are talking like you never listened to The Beatles aka The White Album, dude.

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Ironically, they too became threatening with songs like "Helter Skelter" "Revolution" 'Happiness is a Warm Gun" and others. Instead of comforting fans, The Beatles made them uncomfortable. Songs like "Revolution 9" scared the sh___t out of those little kids.
Unless you admit right now that you are 51 y/o and it was you that got the "sh___t" scared out of, then it's all a long yarn you've just woven.

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To compare the the change of musical directions experienced between earlier albums to this is ridiculous, and completely naive.
Did you ever heard any of The Beatle's earlier work? probably not.
If you don't think "Tomorrow Never Knows" is the cat's pajamas and revolutionary for it's time, then you're an olive short of a pizza.

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The media, feeling betrayed, no longer gave them as much coverage nor good reviews, the fans became disenchanted. Whether they chose to perform or not, was completely inconsequential.
What???? Hold on, I gotta get some duck tape, I have tape my head before my brain explodes all over my moniter, because that is the dumbest thing I ever heard, Hold on I'll be back.... slosh, slosh, slosh, slosh, slosh.



OK I'm back, oh yeah, all the sloshing you heard is from the sh___t you shoveling my way.

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They simply weren't lovable anymore.
What do you call Yellow Submarine?? An Unlovable cartoon?

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They became "Stones-like".
That's only because Billy Preston played piano for the both of them.

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I'm eternally grateful for John Lennon, in making this grand artistic statement.
What grand artistic statement was that? Wait don't tell me because I'll be externally ungrateful to hear any more ****.

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If you can appreciate his intense desire to distance himself as a artist from the Beatles past, then you can better understand his decision to undertake the weirdness he created with Yoko.
When you say "undertake the weirdness he created with Yoko" are you talking about in the bedroom or in the recording studio???

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But I believe he made that decision to break from the past, before meeting her, so blaming her for the break up of the Beatles is ridiculous as well.
You're ridiculous as well, Oko Yono was a wet blanket that added extra stress to the already strained, interpersonalrelationship of members of The Beatles, and beside she kept John Lennon from joining up with his ol' bandmates once the dust settled in the 70's. I like her and everything, but that doesn't mean I don't think she had absolutely no part in the untimely demise of The Beatles.
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wrong! The Rolling Stones did Beggars Banquet.
If you weren't always so quick to be negative and took the time to ready what I wrote, you'd understand that it was a comparison to BB.


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Hold on let me get my fishing boots on, OK I'm back, I glad I got them on because you are really shoveling the **** tonight, Wait a minute, what do you call Ob La Di Ob La Da? If that ain't feel good pop then what is?????? You are talking like you never listened to The Beatles aka The White Album, dude.
One of the least impressive from the Beatles canon. What Lennon would describe it as a "granny song". He thought it sucked. It wasn't even released as a US single!

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Did you ever heard any of The Beatle's earlier work? probably not.
If you don't think "Tomorrow Never Knows" is the cat's pajamas and revolutionary for it's time, then you're an olive short of a pizza.
That's f__cked up. You're focusing on one song, as opposed to an album. You yourself said, Rubber Soul and Revolver could have been packaged as a double album. Both are very similar, but I will say, Lennon does sound thrilled to be singing that tune, ending this sequence of albums with his best composition. He had an Ace in the Hole with that one.

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What do you call Yellow Submarine?? An Unlovable cartoon?
I'd stop bringing up this stupid soundtrack to a kids movie. It's the most embarrassing recording of their careers. Demonstrates more of a devolution.

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You're ridiculous as well, Oko Yono was a wet blanket that added extra stress to the already strained, interpersonalrelationship of members of The Beatles, and beside she kept John Lennon from joining up with his ol' bandmates once the dust settled in the 70's. I like her and everything, but that doesn't mean I don't think she had absolutely no part in the untimely demise of The Beatles.
Give John some credit. He may have used her as a way out. He was sick as sh__t of the bitchin and moanin between Paul and George and I don't think he had any interest whatsoever in hanging out with his "ol' bandmates".
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