Urban Hat€monger ?

Well not me , I didn`t bring it up.
The Beatles fan did

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That's a fair point...although you compared the Beatles to the Stones as live acts, when the Beatles stopped touring before they were fully matured as a band and before their style was fully developed.

It seems that when albums are the everlasting representation of a band in top form and sounding exactly as they wanted to, quality of albums is a lot more important here than quality as a live act. After all, the album is what led Rock & Roll on the transition from youth fad to art.

Certainly the Stones were influential, but not in the forward-thinking way of the Beatles who blended pop perfectly into the mix and changed the genre of Rock forever. It's because of them that Rock music is as diverse and eclectic as it is today.

Strummer521

The Beatles were the sunny side of Rock & Roll while the Stones introduced that sinister element that's so popular with the kids.

Urban Hat€monger ?

I think people underestimate the Stones when it comes to that.When the Beatles did it they changed direction totally yet when the Stones did it it sounded more natural.

The Stones took inspiration from R&B , Rock n Roll , Blues , Funk , Soul , Disco , Gospal , Pop , even punk & psychadelia (badly) and blended it into their music more effortlessly than the Beatles ever did.

Personally i`m a fan of psychadelia but I hate the way the Beatles incorperated it into their music. They basically diluted it into 3 minute pop nursary rhymes.Thats always been my biggest problem with the Beatles they may have incorperated many different influences into their music but to me it was really watered down , if a band does that now they get slated for it.
The way the Stones do it , it doesn`t sound diluted because it sounds like a natural progression to what they do already.

I`m not saying one way is better than the other but I think because of the way the Stones did it they get less credit.

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boo boo

I always found The Stones to be very by the numbers,... Not really different from what Rock N Roll was already, just with a hipper/tougher image.

True, bands who try to be more diverse and "progressive" so to speak tend to be harshly slated by critics, and but these are the same people who think Guided By Voices make good music.

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TheBig3

Mmmm well maybe, but "by the numbers" might only be the case because they invented the numbers. I mean, you can think what you want about Mick, he's got his ups and downs, but Keef is the embodiment of music. He was pure and unmolested feeling, all vibe, and frankly, the closest you get to that in the Bealtes was McCartney, I mean Lennon and Jagger wrote better lyrics (arguably) but those two were the musical workhorses, and while I respect the balls otu of McCartney, he's far more "crafty" than Keef, and thats where the stones surpass the beatles by a long shot in my eyes. Their honest, there was a calculation with the Bealtes like..."hey this would sound good" but it was premeditated. The stones knew what worked for the song, and to me, honest music is better than great postured music everyday.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

You`ve basically summed up for me why I would take Exile On Main Street over Sgt Pepper any day of the week.

Sgt Pepper to me seems like a bunch of hippy dippy concepts wrapped up in a load of window dressing. To me it just seems like a really fake album , I guess you could say they were trying too hard to make a 'classic' album.

Whereas with Exile On Main Street it sounds more like a band honestly playing with respect to their influences and sound like the kind of album the Stones wanted to make all along. For me the reason it is a classic album is because because it`s the Stones at their peak just concentrating on the music.

I get the feeling that the Beatles could have made any old crap for a concept album and it would have been hailed a classic.

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boo boo

In other words you hail a band for doing traditional rock n roll rather than anything new and doing the same tired crap over and over and over for 40 years, as opposed to doing the opposite, which of course is bad.

The Shaggs were honest, and they are still reasonably enough the worst band in music history.

Looking cooler and being more honest, what in the hell are you guys gonna come up with next?

Honesty has no place in music, if a band sounds like sh*t, they sound like sh*t, I don't care how honest they are, it dosen't make a band better.

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TheBig3

Im going out right now but I hope you realize you're "seeing" are argument the way you want to as to frame it in a ridiculous manner.

I don't think anyone said what you are implying. Read it again Boo Boo, you know what was said there.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

I`m talking about in this one instance.You might think it`s tired crap , but that tired crap influenced some of my favourite bands over that 40 year period and continue to do so. I`m not actually a fan of much 'traditional rock n roll' I just happen to think the Stones do it far better than a great many other bands , which is why I listen to the Stones far more than any other 'Traditional rock n roll band'
I like diversity , I like experimentation , but like I said to me when the Beatles did it , it sounded watered down. If i`m going to listen to a pyschadelia album i`ll pick up The 13th Floor Elevators Easter Everywhere,Floyds Piper At The Gates Of Dawn , Red Krayolas Parable of Arable Land or Frank Zappas Freak Out.Not the Beatles 3 minute watered down pop attempts at it.

What the hells that got to do with anything?
No doubt you`ll have a fit if I say all prog rock is sh*t based on Rick Wakemans solo career.

Dunno what arguement you`ve been reading but for the past few days myself & Big3 have expressed a preference to the Stones based wholly on music.

People look for different things in music.I can relate better to honest music.Like I said to me Sgt Pepper is one big excercise in window dressing.

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