Music Man

If I don't post source material, you'll simply continue to grouse that everything I say is only my "opinion". If I do post source material supporting my arguments, you'll simply do as above, and gripe that I'm not presenting my "own ideas".

Since I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't in your book, I'll continue to post source material from credible sources--something you have yet to do.

And it's your OPINION that it's spam.

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"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

jibber

way to put words in my mouth. The reason we all jumped down your throat about posting your opinions is because you were presenting your OPINIONS as FACTS. which they are not. it is a fact that the beatles sold more albums than the stones. You then went on to say that you'd presented other FACTS aside from that, which you hadn't. Opinions are great, just stop labeling them as hard facts, because you're wrong. I'm not going to say another word on the matter, because I'm sick of trying to make you see the difference between fact and opinion, something I though should be obvious by the second grade, but apparently not.

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Music Man

You're the one who's not adding anything new to the argument, so you need to heed your own advice.

I'm presenting articles from credible and well-informed sources. In the fields of Law, Medicine and Psychiatry--just to name a few--presenting relevant facts, statements etc. from credible sources is considered VITAL and NECESSARY to the functioning of those professions.

PROVE that my sources are "repetitive tripe". You obviously haven't read them yourself, yet you denounce them, because they don't agree with YOUR personal bias. You complain about alleged bias and immaturity in others, while engaging in the same behaviors yourself.

Now please try to stay on thread topic.

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"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

Music Man

All Music Guide

"So much has been said and written about the Beatles -- and their story is so mythic in its sweep -- that it's difficult to summarize their career without restating clichés that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans. To start with the obvious, they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era, and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century. Moreover, they were among the few artists of any discipline that were simultaneously the best at what they did and the most popular at what they did. Relentlessly imaginative and experimental, the Beatles grabbed a hold of the international mass consciousness in 1964 and never let go for the next six years, always staying ahead of the pack in terms of creativity but never losing their ability to communicate their increasingly sophisticated ideas to a mass audience. Their supremacy as rock icons remains unchallenged to this day, decades after their breakup in 1970.

Even when couching praise in specific terms, it's hard to convey the scope of the Beatles' achievements in a mere paragraph or two. They synthesized all that was good about early rock & roll, and changed it into something original and even more exciting. They established the prototype for the self-contained rock group that wrote and performed its own material. As composers, their craft and melodic inventiveness were second to none, and key to the evolution of rock from its blues/R&B-based forms into a style that was far more eclectic, but equally visceral. As singers, both John Lennon and Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive vocalists in rock; the group's harmonies were intricate and exhilarating. As performers, they were (at least until touring had ground them down) exciting and photogenic; when they retreated into the studio, they were instrumental in pioneering advanced techniques and multi-layered arrangements. They were also the first British rock group to achieve worldwide prominence, launching a British Invasion that made rock truly an international phenomenon."

Rest of article:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p...s420r2ac48x~T1

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"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

Music Man

Rolling Stone

"The Beatles cast such a large shadow over their contemporaries -- even the most popular of them -- that sometimes it's difficult to distinguish what they actually contributed to the world of pop music and what they simply popularized. Something they definitely did do was open the floodgates for the British Invasion of the '60s, beginning, for all intents and purposes, with Ed Sullivan's portentous introduction in the beginning of 1964: "Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles." Popular music has never been the same; at least that's definite. They were also one of the first bands to take rock 'n' roll and merge it with other forms like popular standards, folk (with a little help from Bob Dylan), blues, etc. And although they are often derided for their weaknesses as a true-blue, hard-living, hard-rocking, parent-frightening, cooler-than-all band, one need only compare the versions of "I Wanna Be Your Man" as done by the Fab Four and by the Rolling Stones; their early days in Hamburg taught them well the rules of blistering rock 'n' roll. At least their retreat from the stage was matched by a wealth of awesome material -- everything from the "Penny Lane" / "Strawberry Fields Forever" single to what was to be the band's death knell, "The End" off of Abbey Road, was arguably the most advanced popular music of the time. They had the resources, the talent, the producer ("fifth Beatle" George Martin) and the desire to push the boundaries of their music. Even more amazing is that it has maintained such a grip on the public's ear and imagination."

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/...player=unknown

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"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

Music Man

The Beatles Achievements (Partial List)

"* The Beatles are the best-selling musical group of all time, estimated by EMI to have over one billion discs and tapes sold worldwide.
* The Beatles have notched up the most multi-platinum selling albums for any artist or musical group (thirteen in the U.S. alone).
* The Beatles have had more number one singles than any other musical group (23 in Australia, 23 in The Netherlands, 22 in Canada, 21 in Norway, 20 in the U.S., and 18 in Sweden). Ironically, the Beatles could easily have had even more number ones, because they were often competing with their own singles. For example, the Beatles' "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" were released as a "double A"-sided single, which caused sales and airplay to be divided between the two songs instead of being counted collectively. Even so, they reached number two with the singles.
* The Beatles have had more number one albums than any other group (19 in the U.S. and 15 in the United Kingdom).
* The Beatles spent the highest number of weeks at number one in the albums chart (174 in the UK and 132 in the U.S.).
* The most successful first week of sales for a double album (The Beatles Anthology Volume 1, which sold 855,473 copies in the U.S. from 21 November to 28 November 1995).
* In terms of charting positions, Lennon and McCartney are the most successful songwriters in history, with 32 number one singles in the U.S. for McCartney, and 26 for Lennon (23 of which were written together). Lennon was responsible for 29 Number One singles in the UK, and McCartney was responsible for 28 (25 of which were written together).
* During the week of 4 April 1964, The Beatles held the top five positions on the Billboard singles chart. No one had ever done anything like this before, and it is doubtful that the conditions will ever exist for anyone to do it again. The songs were "Can't Buy Me Love", "Twist and Shout", "She Loves You", "I Want to Hold Your Hand", and "Please Please Me".
The next week, 11 April 1964, the Beatles held fourteen positions on the Billboard Hot 100. Before the Beatles, the highest number of concurrent singles by one artist on the Hot 100 was nine (by Elvis Presley, 19 December 1956).
* The Beatles are the only artist to have 'back-to-back-to-back' number one singles on Billboard's Hot 100. Boyz II Men and Elvis Presley have succeeded themselves on the chart, but the Beatles are the only artist to 'three-peat'.
* The Beatles' "Yesterday" is the most covered song in history, appearing in the Guinness Book of Records with over three thousand recorded versions.
* The Beatles even had their own stamp commissioned, featuring a tribute to Yellow Submarine.The Beatles had the fastest selling single of all time with "I Want To Hold Your Hand". The song sold 250,000 units within three days in the U.S., one million in 2 weeks. (Additionally, it sold 10,000 copies per hour in New York City alone for the first 20 days.)
* The Beatles have the fastest selling CD of all time with 1. It sold over 13 million copies in four weeks.
* The largest number of advance orders for a single, at 2.1 million copies in the U.S. for "Can't Buy Me Love" (it sold 940,225 copies on its first day of release in the U.S. alone).
* Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the best selling album of all time in the UK (over 4.5 million copies sold).
* With their performance at Shea Stadium in 1965, The Beatles set new world records for concert attendance (55,600+) and revenue.
* The Beatles broke television ratings records in the U.S. with their first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show.
* On 12 June 1965, the Beatles were made Members of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) by the Queen.
* On 30 June 1966, the Beatles became the first musical group to perform at the Nippon Budokan Hall in Tokyo. They performed five times in three days gathering audiences of about 10,000 per performance.
* The Beatles appear five times in the top 100 best-selling singles in the UK. No other group appears more than twice."

http://www.beatles-mania.com/bioachievements.html

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"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

boo boo

Music Man,

Yes it is a FACT that The Beatles have had a lasting impact, importance and influence on rock music, however its your OPINION that it means The Beatles are better than The Stones...In my opinion they are way better than The Stones, but im still aware that its only my opinion.

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It's only knock n' knowall, but I like it

http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs

Urban Hat€monger ?

So then I was right

Thank you very much

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franscar

And however hard The Stones try, they'll never write anything as bad as 'Yellow Submarine'.

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Franscar is metal. You are not.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Does Mick Jagger`s She`s The Boss count ?

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