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YOU JUST SAID THAT.

AND I NEVER PRESENTED AN OPINION. SO THERE IS NOTHING FOR ME TO BE HYPOCRITICAL ABOUT.

as far as i can see, jibber is right and the only fact that you have produced is that the beatles had more record sales.

its exactly what crowquill said, record sales dont mean SQUAT!

i NEVER stated an opinion that would be something for you to fall in line with.

im not being self righteous. YOU sir are being self righteous. you are turning the fact that I PRESENTED around on me to make it seem like I am being hypocritical.

yes, i am preaching acceptance of other people views, BUT I NEVER PRESENTED ANY VIEWS OF MY OWN. SO THERE WAS NOTHING FOR ANYONE TO FALL IN LINE WITH. i have simply been trying to get you to understand that you cannot prove that your OPINIONS are correct because they are OPINIONS. formed by peoples INTERPRETATIONS of things. therefore there is no correct answer to this question with you seem hellbent on answering.

reverse psychology doesnt work with me, and i know my way around here. dont try to tell me that im being hypocritical when i have provided absolutely no statement with which to be hypocritical.

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Music Man

That's your OPINION. Prove it!

Regarding the enormous influence of the Beatles:

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:

"The impact of the Beatles upon popular music cannot be overstated; they revolutionized the music industry and touched the lives of all who heard them in deep and fundamental ways. Landing on these shores on February 7, 1964, they literally stood the world of pop culture on its head, setting the musical agenda for the remainder of the decade. The Beatles' buoyant melodies, playful personalities and mop-topped charisma were just the tonic needed by a nation left reeling by the senseless assassination of its young president, John F. Kennedy, barely two months earlier. Even adults typically given to scorning rock and roll as worthless "kid's stuff" were forced to concede that there was substance in their music and quick-witted cleverness in their repartee. Without exaggeration, they transfixed and transformed the world as we knew it, ushering in a demographic shift in which youth culture assertively took over from its stodgy Eisenhower-era forbears....

...The group's first single, "Love Me Do/P.S. I Love You," briefly dented the U.K. Top Twenty in October 1962, but their next 45, "Please Please Me," formally ignited Beatlemania in their homeland, reaching the Number Two spot. It was followed by four consecutive chart-topping British singles, issued throughout 1963: "From Me to You," "She Loves You," "I Want to Hold Your Hand," "Can't Buy Me Love." They conquered the U.K., even inducing a classical music critic from the London Sunday Times to declare them "the greatest composers since Beethoven." The group's success was based around the Lennon/McCartney songwriting partnership, Harrison's guitar-playing prowess, and Starr's amiable disposition and artful simplicity as a drummer.

The Beatles' conquest of America early in 1964 launched the British Invasion, as a torrent of rock and roll bands from Britain overtook the pop charts. The Fab Four's first Number One single in the U.S. was "I Want to Hold Your Hand," released on Capitol Records, EMI's American counterpart. This exuberant track was followed by 45 more Top Forty hits over the next half-dozen years. During the week of April 4, 1964, the Beatles set a record that is likely never to be broken when they occupied all five of the top positions on Billboard's Top Pop Singles chart, with "Can't Buy Me Love" ensconced at Number One. Their popularity soared still further with the release of their playfully anarchic documentary film, A Hard Day's Night, in August 1964.

When all was said and done, the Beatles charted 20 Number One singles in the States - a number even greater than runner-up Elvis Presley's 17 chart-toppers. For such feats of sales and airplay alone, the Beatles can unassailably be regarded as the top group in rock and roll history. Yet their significance as a band extends beyond numbers to encompass their innovations in the recording studio. The Beatles' legacy as a concert attraction, during their harried passage from nightclubs to baseball stadiums, is distinguished primarily by the deafening screams of female fans overcome by the group's very appearance. Consequently, the Beatles began to indulge their creative energies in the studio, layering sounds and crafting songs in a way no one had attempted before. The results included such musically expansive and lyrically sophisticated albums as Rubber Soul (1965) and Revolver (1966). For various reasons, ranging from safety concerns to frustration that no one could hear or was listening, the Beatles retired from touring after a San Francisco concert on August 29, 1966.

Ten months later, they released Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, an album that has almost universally been cited as the creative apotheosis of rock and roll, a watershed event in which rock became "serious art" without losing its sense of humor (or sense of the absurd). Realizing the band members' collective ambitions took four months and all the technical wiles of producer George Martin. A completely self-contained album meant to be played and experienced from start to finish, Sgt. Pepper broke the mold in that no singles were released from it. The album's heady artistic reach further cemented the notion of a viable counterculture in the minds of youthful dropouts everywhere. Anyone who was alive in the summer of 1967 can remember the pleasant shock of hearing it and the reverberations it sent outward into the world of rock and roll and beyond....

...Through all the chaotic events of the late Sixties, the Beatles managed to retain their integrity and focus as recording artists. Released in August 1968, the single "Hey Jude"/"Revolution" became their most popular single. The Beatles (1968), a double-LP popularly referred to as "the White Album," was like a prism that found the group refracting into four individual and highly estimable talents. The album and film Let It Be, recorded in 1969 but shelved until 1970, essentially documented the Beatles' dissolution and breakup amid internal squabbles and the presence of John Lennon's new mate, Yoko Ono. Yet the Beatles came together and exited on a high note, uniting in the summer of 1969 to record their swan song, Abbey Road."

Complete Article:

http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=228

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Urban Hat€monger ?

he World's Greatest Rock n Roll Band, they keep proving it over and over again. The Stones were formed by blues purest, guitarist and harp player Brian Jones in 1962. He wanted to start a R&B band and the first to join him was pianist Ian "Stu" Stewart, followed by guitarist Geoff Bradford. In June, Mick Jagger (vocals) and Keith Richards (guitar) joined them. Also to join the band at that time was bass player **** Taylor, but no set drummer was to join at first. Bradford left the band shortly after Richards and Jagger joined. Several drummers would play with the band - Mick Avory (who later would join the Kinks), Tony Chapman, Charlie Watts and Carlo Little. Jones was the band's early leader and was the one to come up with the name, which he took from a Muddy Waters song. That December **** Taylor left and Bill Wyman took over the bass duties. In January '63 Charlie Watts finally decided to take up on a earlier offer to join the band and the heart and soul of the Rolling Stones was now in place. The Stones started out playing small clubs. Their first studio work took place that March but it wasn't till they met Andrew Loog Oldham that things would start to click for them. Oldham signed the band to work for him and partner Eric Easton that May. But there would be one more change. Oldham didn't feel Stewart's image fit in with the rest of the band's and insisted on him being out of the main line up. Luckily for the Stones, Stu agreed to become their road manager and still play his fine piano in sessions for the Stones till his death in December of 1985.

Success came to the Stones rather quickly as they transformed from a blues band to a rock band. In the coming years the Stones would experiment with just about every kind of rock music out there. But still, they would never wander too far from the blues. It was Jones and Richards who wrote the blueprint for rock guitar weaving that so many other bands would soon partake in. Jones was also the first white man to play slide guitar and played it superbly. Richards in time would be know as one of rock's best ever rhythm guitar players and his guitar riffs became the trademark sound of the Stones. With Wyman & Watts the band had one of rocks best rhythm sections too. But with that all said and done, it was Jagger who was perhaps the main reason for the band's rise to the top. Jagger early on took over as the band's leader and as singer was the front man. His stage presence was unlike his contemporaries and the young fans just loved him.

By the mid sixties the Stones were the number two band in rock behind the Beatles. They would turn out a number of great songs written by Jagger/Richards that had instruments on them that were never heard before in rock music. This all came via the versatility of Jones, "a cat who could play any instrument" as Richards would later say about him. But by the late sixties things were not going well between Jones and Jagger/Richards. Jones wanted writing credit on songs he help write in the studio, which he would never receive. He also had a drug problem that was getting out of hand and on top of everything else lost the love of his life, actress Anita Pallenberg, to his now former best friend Richards in 1968. In May of '69, it was agreed that Jones would leave the band. Tragically, less than a month later his body was found at the bottom of his swimming pool. No credible explanation was given on how he got there and to this day many friends and fans feel foul play was involved. The band hired blues guitarist Mick Taylor to take his spot in the group. Taylor's guitar playing compared to Jones' was a world apart. Taylor played a more cleaner guitar than Jones and unlike Brian stuck to just the guitar. As the Stones entered the seventies he pretty much took over most of the lead guitar parts in the band as Richards' drug problems got somewhat in the way. While all this went on, Jagger remained the front man and continued to deliver songs vocally like no one else. It was during this time period that the Stones would become rock's best live act.With the Beatles now gone, the Stones were the true kings of rock. Unfortunately in December of 1974, Taylor suddenly quit the band. Some say it was over his lack of receiving writing credits that was the cause, a problem Jagger/Richards still hadn't addressed to the rest of the band. In April of '75 Ron Wood, guitarist for Faces was named as a temporary replacement for the upcoming tour. But just about everyone knew he would stick, and in time he did. Unlike Taylor, "Woody" seemed to fit in more with Richards' style of playing. For the first time since the Brian Jones days, Richards had someone he could guitar weave with again. The band's present lineup would stay intact for years to follow. In the mid eighties things got tense between Jagger and the rest of the band as Mick wanted to do solo projects and was seen as slipping away from the rest. For the first time it seem that maybe the end of the Rolling Stones was near. But by the close of that decade things were ironed out and the Steel Wheels tour was a huge success. In January of '93 Wyman quit the band and once again, like Jones and Taylor, a lack of credit for song writing was one of the reasons cited for his departure. To this day the Stones have yet to replace him. They have used several different bassist in the studio since and employ Darryl Jones to play bass on the road.

As of this bio's written date, the Stones have put out twenty six studio albums and another seven live albums. In addition numerous other live boots, compilations and greatest hits albums abound. Their top four "monster" albums were released between '68 and '72: Beggars Banquet ('68), Let It Bleed ('69), Sticky Fingers ('71) and Exile on Main Street ('72).

But to sum up all of this, no other bands or artists sing or lives the lifestyle of sex, drugs and rock & roll like the Stones do!

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thank you urban.
opinions do not require proof. i dont understand why you are so set on thinking that they do. the question of the thread was "who is your favorite and why?" no one cares about record sales, or any thing like that. people just want to express their opinions and discuss them. not have other peoples opinions shoved down their throats.


now....musicman....do you get the point?

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jibber

thanks for that, so where's the facts? That was simply a biography about the beatles, written in a favorable light. How on earth does that prove that the beatles are a better band than the stones? Urban just did the exact same thing you did. he found an article relating a quick bio of the stones, written in a very reverant fashion, and yet it does it prove that the stones were a better band? of course not. *bbbzzzzzz* you failed that one, what else ya got for us?

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he thinks that biased articles are proof of his opinion.....which all the articles seem to support.......

BIAS......

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Record sales was only one of several criteria I judged them by, so your straw man ploy won't work here.

You need to remind yourself that Britney Spears is a FEMALE POP SOLO ARTIST who doesn't write any of her own material. Her writers and producers are primarily interested in writing songs that appeal to the mainstream. She is also a good-looking woman who can appeal to male fans with her looks, body and sex appeal.

Nirvana was a MALE GRUNGE ROCK BAND who wrote virtually all of their own material. It wasn't their goal to produce mainstream pop that would sell to the masses. Nor did they have the sex appeal and good looks of a young woman.

So you're making an irrelevant apples and oranges comparison. Sorry you're not able to make an intellectual distinction between the two.

The Beatles and Rolling Stones were both male, British mainstream Rock bands originating in the same era, and they wrote virtually all of their own material--so comparing them in terms of record sales, influence etc.-- is a COMPLETELY VALID comparison.

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Music Man

Prove the article is biased. You have an obvious bias against anybody who doesn't agree with you.

It's your OPINION that the article is biased. You haven't presented even ONE fact to prove the article is biased.

Still more proof of your blatant hypocrisy.

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--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

Music Man

Wikipedia

The Beatles Influence

"The Beatles' influence on rock music and world culture was – and remains – profound. Before their emergence as pop superstars, it was common for rock bands to rely on professional songwriters for their material (the Brill Building in New York City was a source of many hit singles in the early 1960s) and to rely heavily on studio musicians for their recordings.

It has been said that after the Beatles' initial appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show, many who saw them perform were inspired to quickly form rock groups. The Byrds are one of innumerable groups of that era who cite seeing A Hard Day's Night as one of their major sources of inspiration.

Like The Shadows before them, The Beatles created a new paradigm for performers in popular music. Their multiple talents enabled them to combine the instrumental abilities of groups like The Shadows, the vocal harmony singing of acts such as The Everly Brothers and a songwriting strength of writer-performers like Buddy Holly and Bob Dylan.

Their concert performances in the mid 1960s electrified audiences and provided a huge burst of inspiration for local musicians in the countries they visited. Within a few months of their June 1964 visit to Australia, The Beatles' influence had transformed the local pop scene and saw the creation of hundreds of Beatle-style bands around the country. A similar scene was enacted, albeit on a smaller scale, in New Zealand."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_influence

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--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

Music Man

The Beatles Influence

Composition and recording

"Whilst by no means the first to do so (Buddy Holly composed his hits, for example), the Beatles' example made self-composition the standard for rock bands then and since. Although they did not necessarily invent all the new ideas they incorporated in their music, they often competed with and played off the developing ideas of other prominent acts of the period (such as Bob Dylan, The Byrds, and the Beach Boys). As such, they spurred rock music, which hitherto had been largely looked down upon by older music fans, towards becoming an accepted art form. When the Sgt. Pepper album was released, it was hailed by music critics of the time as a major work of art, even compared favorably to classical musicians such as Schubert and Schumann. Within days of its release, the album's title song was being covered by artists like Jimi Hendrix.

In the studio, The Beatles were always experimenting with new recording techniques and even coined a few common studio phrases that are still in use today. For example, a common vocal or guitar effect where two copies of the same sound are overlapped and time-shifted slightly (producing a swirling, swishing sound), is now known as flanging, thanks to John Lennon, who named the effect in the 1960s.

The Beatles' use of various instruments is regarded as highly innovative. With the help of George Martin, they made wide use of string and brass overdubs for a variety of different musical effects and experimented with some more unconventional instruments. An early example is the string arrangement on "Yesterday"; other notable examples include the use of the sitar on "Norwegian Wood", the exclusive accompaniment of a string octet on "Eleanor Rigby", and the amusing orchestral arrangement (with an initial reference to "La Marseillaise") of "All You Need Is Love"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_influence

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"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest