The Rolling Stones vs. The Beatles (pop, single, album, Blink 182)

Music Man · 01-17-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong but, this whole thread is based of opinion

A fallacy on your part.

I've backed my arguments with a great array of proveable facts. Your side has produced virtually nothing except cries of "that's just your opinion".

Using your lack of logic on this particular subject (I'm not saying you lack logic in general, so don't get offended), one could claim that Slipknot is just as "good" as the Beatles.

Not all opinions are valid and/or equal. Examples:

"Slipknot is just as good a band as the Beatles."

"Mick Thomson is just as good a guitarist as Jimi Hendrix"

"George Bush is just as good an intellectual as Albert Einstein".

"Bill Laimbeer is just as good a basketball player as Michael Jordan".

Now according to your relativistic rationale that all opinions are "equal", we'd have to consider all of the above to be as "true" as any other opinions, even though anybody with common sense knows the above opinions are BS.

Many Germans were (and many still are) of the opinion that Hitler was a "a great leader and fine man". Using your relativistic logic, we would have to accept that ludicrous opinion as being just as correct as any.

All opinions and arguments are NOT valid and/or equal.

sleepy jack · 01-17-2006, 11:14 PM

Ahem

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Originally Posted by angela

which do you prefer, and why?

Thats the basis of this thread, it requires one post not a huge debate over it.

jibber · 01-17-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Music Man

A fallacy on your part.

I've backed my arguments with a great array of proveable facts. Your side has produced virtually nothing except cries of "that's just your opinion".

Using your lack of logic on this particular subject (I'm not saying you lack logic in general, so don't get offended), one could claim that Slipknot is just as "good" as the Beatles.

Not all opinions are valid and/or equal. Examples:

"Slipknot is just as good a band as the Beatles."

"Mick Thomson is just as good a guitarist as Jimi Hendrix"

"George Bush is just as good an intellectual as Albert Einstein".

"Bill Laimbeer is just as good a basketball player as Michael Jordan".

Now according to your relativistic rationale that all opinions are "equal", we'd have to consider all of the above to be as "true" as any other opinions, even though anybody with common sense knows the above opinions are BS.

Many Germans were (and many still are) of the opinion that Hitler was a "a great leader and fine man". Using your relativistic logic, we would have to accept that ludicrous opinion as being just as correct as any.

All opinions and arguments are NOT valid and/or equal.

you've stated ONE provable fact. that the stones have had more record sales than the beatles. everything else was an opinion.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-17-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Music Man

The topic of this thread is "The Beatles vs. the Stones"--who's BETTER. It's NOT about whether or not the Stones have created "some really amazing, innovative, and influential music."

By your own admission, the Stones have made some "crap" music over the years (actually quite a bit of "crap" music, including several of their albums). Whereas the Beatles NEVER made even one "crap" album. The Beatles CONSISTENTLY and REPEATEDLY turned out "really amazing, innovative, and influential music"--whereas the Stones have been an inconsistent "hit or miss" type band for over the last thirty years.

By virtually every known indicator of greatness, the Beatles destroy the Rolling Stones:

1. Record Sales: The Beatles have sold over a BILLION albums worldwide, which easily dwarfs what the Stones have sold. Also, the Beatles have FAR MORE #1 hits. This doesn't look good for the Stones, who have been around about 36 YEARS longer.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

2. Musical Influence: The Beatles are easily the most influential rock band in human history, and very likely the most influential act in music history--in ANY genre.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

3. Social Influence: Again, easily the most influential rock band in history. The Beatles took not only the music world by storm, but the entire CULTURE of North America, Europe and the British Empire--and were also immensely influential in the more advanced Asian and Latin nations.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

4. Consistency: The Beatles produced a prodigious amount of music during their relatively brief existence. Few bands in history have released so many original albums in such a short span of time. Every single one of their albums and virtually all of their songs maintained the highest musical standards.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

5. Innovation: Their albums and songs were incredibly diverse and groundbreaking. Albums like "Rubber Soul", "Revolver", "Sgt. Pepper", "The Magical Mystery Tour" and "The White Album"--were virtually REVOLUTIONARY in their impact.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

Quite frankly, I can't think of one relevant category where the Stones can be considered even equal to the Beatles, much less superior.

Summation: The Beatles reign supreme over the Stones.

And yet I still think Exile pisses over anything the Beatles ever did , funny that

TheBig3 · 01-17-2006, 11:29 PM

Do you think "Tumbling Dice" is as blindingly remarkable as they say? I've heard it a couple of times, I don't get the appeal.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-17-2006, 11:31 PM

It`s alright , i`ve always been a bit indifferent to it myself

TheBig3 · 01-17-2006, 11:34 PM

Alright, yeah I was hoping someone could let me in on the secret, Joe Perry said once that is has a groove that sucks you in but I've never seen it.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-17-2006, 11:36 PM

Well having reminded myself of the track listing I can honestly say Tumbling Dice is the 9th best song on that album

~~bungalow~~ · 01-17-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Music Man

A fallacy on your part.

I've backed my arguments with a great array of proveable facts. Your side has produced virtually nothing except cries of "that's just your opinion".

Using your lack of logic on this particular subject (I'm not saying you lack logic in general, so don't get offended), one could claim that Slipknot is just as "good" as the Beatles.

Not all opinions are valid and/or equal. Examples:

"Slipknot is just as good a band as the Beatles."

"Mick Thomson is just as good a guitarist as Jimi Hendrix"

"George Bush is just as good an intellectual as Albert Einstein".

"Bill Laimbeer is just as good a basketball player as Michael Jordan".

Now according to your relativistic rationale that all opinions are "equal", we'd have to consider all of the above to be as "true" as any other opinions, even though anybody with common sense knows the above opinions are BS.

Many Germans were (and many still are) of the opinion that Hitler was a "a great leader and fine man". Using your relativistic logic, we would have to accept that ludicrous opinion as being just as correct as any.

All opinions and arguments are NOT valid and/or equal.

I was agreeing with you man...

Music Man · 01-18-2006, 12:03 AM

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how much they sold has absolutely nothing to do with whether they were better or not.

Your OPINION, OPINION, OPINION. And I judged them by NUMEROUS other criteria, not just record sales.

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each band influenced a different group of people. the beatles had a sound that at the time would have been considered pop. now i bet that the sales of n'sync(todays pop) records far outweighs the sales of a band such as say...pennywise. but each band influences the people that they appeal to.

Some of it was considered pop, a lot of it was not. "Helter Skelter", "Revolution #9" and "I am the Walrus" sure as hell weren't pop. And the Beatles influenced A LOT MORE people than the Stones. Not to mention that the Stones have recorded their fair share of "pop", the main difference being theirs wasn't as good or popular as the Beatles, as a whole. So your above statements are just your OPINION, OPINION, OPINION.

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OPINION, OPINION, OPINION.

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when will you get that through your head and stop trying to prove that the beatles were the greater band. they were by no means the greater band. neither of them were greater than the other. but in the minds of their followers, each is greater than the other.

Your OPINION, OPINION, OPINION.

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so shut up with your elitist opinion posts and accept other peoples views.

You're apparently intellectually unable to realize the sheer hypocrisy of your above statement.

You are loudly proclaiming YOUR OPINIONS to be true, and mine to be false. And your gross hypocrisy becomes even more evident, by your statement "shut up with your elitist opinion posts and accept other peoples views."

First of all, I haven't proclaimed myself to be better than anybody else here, so I'm certainly not an elitist.

Secondly, I'm ROTFLMAO at the blatant hypocrisy and gall of your statement. You're telling me to "shut up and accept other people's views".

WHY DON'T YOU FOLLOW YOUR OWN ADVICE! You declare that I should "shut up and accept other people's views"---so why don't you lead by example and "shut up and accept" MY views!

Or are YOUR OPINIONS somehow "right and holy", while mine are "wrong" and "narrow-minded"? Judging you by YOUR OWN statements, I guess we're going to have to declare you an elitist! Not saying that you are, just pointing out your painfully obvious hypocrisy.

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01-17-2006, 11:29 PM	#215 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Do you think "Tumbling Dice" is as blindingly remarkable as they say? I've heard it a couple of times, I don't get the appeal. __________________ I've moved to a new address

01-17-2006, 11:31 PM	#216 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	It`s alright , i`ve always been a bit indifferent to it myself __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Alright, yeah I was hoping someone could let me in on the secret, Joe Perry said once that is has a groove that sucks you in but I've never seen it. __________________ I've moved to a new address

01-17-2006, 11:36 PM	#218 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Well having reminded myself of the track listing I can honestly say Tumbling Dice is the 9th best song on that album __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.