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TockTockTock 02-13-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1001280)
It's often forgotten that Jimi Hendrix, Neil Young, CSNY, Beatles, Al Stewart, Joe Jackson, Steely dan, Bob Dylan, the Band, Supertramp, Pink Floyd... all those bands were once mainstream. And almost no one will now criticize them for being 'mainstream'.

The Beatles are still mainstream, and Pink Floyd didn't even get all that recognized until Dark Side of the Moon was released and played a lot on the radio. Also, Hendrix was never mainstream, but he was never underground either. If you look at his record sales then you'll see that he stayed somewhere in the middle. But your statement is definitely right.

Do I think I was born in the wrong generation? No. I don't think there's a right or wrong one in my view. I think I would be just as annoyed with the hippie culture as I am with this culture. Not to mention we have so much more music now. We can listen to both old AND new. Not to mention MP3 players and the internet are very helpful in maintaining a broad and knowledgeable taste in music. I wouldn't know about the majority of the bands I do now without the internet.

djchameleon 02-13-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin (Post 1001284)
Appreciate the clarifacation Janz...dont always agree on other topics but your posts are always well worded and sound. I just didnt know if the mainstream hate somehow stemmed from the assumption of the artists being sell outs and playing for the dollar. As opposed to playing for the love of music so to speak. Which I know does happen but doesnt necessarily mean that they all are. Personaly I dont favor one over the other but thats just me. Anyways you answered my question thanks.

oh I'm pretty sure some people hate the mainstream for being sellouts and playing for the dollar as well. I agree with you about not favor one over the other. I'm heavily into listening to so much music that sometimes yes I will listen to crappy/bad music that just in turn happens to be mainstream as well. I just really hate how people go from "oh it's mainstream." to meaning that "well if it's popular and mainstream that automatically means that it is terribad". That type of elitism that I find here on the forums is just straight up stupid imo. You claim to be open minded to music but then you turn around and shut out all artists that are mainstream.

TockTockTock 02-13-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1003463)
oh I'm pretty sure some people hate the mainstream for being sellouts and playing for the dollar as well. I agree with you about not favor one over the other. I'm heavily into listening to so much music that sometimes yes I will listen to crappy/bad music that just in turn happens to be mainstream as well. I just really hate how people go from "oh it's mainstream." to meaning that "well if it's popular and mainstream that automatically means that it is terribad". That type of elitism that I find here on the forums is just straight up stupid imo. You claim to be open minded to music but then you turn around and shut out all artists that are mainstream.

Most people don't like mainstream because it's played a lot on the radio. When certain music receives as much air time as mainstream artists do, then it gets boring after a while. So, people dive deeper down into music to find musicians who aren't quite as recognized as mainstream ones are. Is mainstream bad? No, that's just idiotic and nonsensical to to label a vast set of music as horrible (or "terribad" in your case - great word). Do I like it? Not really. I like old mainstream stuff, but very little new. I remember finding "Viva la Vida" to be a good song and then the radio play it over and over again to the point where I now hate it.

djchameleon 02-13-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1003466)
Most people don't like mainstream because it's played a lot on the radio. When certain music receives as much air time as mainstream artists do, then it gets boring after a while. So, people dive deeper down into music to find musicians who aren't quite as recognized as mainstream ones are. Is mainstream bad? No, that's just idiotic and nonsensical to to label a vast set of music as horrible (or "terribad" in your case - great word). Do I like it? Not really. I like old mainstream stuff, but very little new. I remember finding "Viva la Vida" to be a good song and then the radio play it over and over again to the point where I now hate it.

yeah that's understandable. The easiest solution for that though is to not listen to the radio. I know that's not possible for some people because their jobs like to have the radio tuned into top 40 stations but if you can avoid listening to the radio like it's the plague. That's the way I do it and i'm fine listening to mainstream artists because of that. A majority of the time anyways, they never take the good songs from the album of mainstream artists to make as a single to play on the radio.

Janszoon 02-13-2011 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1003512)
yeah that's understandable. The easiest solution for that though is to not listen to the radio. I know that's not possible for some people because their jobs like to have the radio tuned into top 40 stations but if you can avoid listening to the radio like it's the plague. That's the way I do it and i'm fine listening to mainstream artists because of that. A majority of the time anyways, they never take the good songs from the album of mainstream artists to make as a single to play on the radio.

I basically never listen to the radio as well. The end result for me is I generally have no clue how popular various bands are. Sometimes I'm shock by how popular or not popular certain bands I like are.

TockTockTock 02-17-2011 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1003521)
I basically never listen to the radio as well. The end result for me is I generally have no clue how popular various bands are. Sometimes I'm shock by how popular or not popular certain bands I like are.

NPR is the only station I listen to. Although, when looking up music on the internet, I sometimes get an idea of how popular certain music is judging by the amount of views, comments, etc found on youtube or last.fm. That or I see what people say about the music on this site.

Howard the Duck 02-17-2011 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1003512)
yeah that's understandable. The easiest solution for that though is to not listen to the radio. I know that's not possible for some people because their jobs like to have the radio tuned into top 40 stations but if you can avoid listening to the radio like it's the plague. That's the way I do it and i'm fine listening to mainstream artists because of that. A majority of the time anyways, they never take the good songs from the album of mainstream artists to make as a single to play on the radio.

the only way I can tolerate radio is switching from a station with mainly classic rock, one with hits from recent years and one with current hits

otherwise I can't tolerate any one station for a prolonged period of time

which is to say even older popular songs in the classic rock era grates on me after a while

propertyphotos 02-18-2011 12:37 PM

lived thru it
 
hi folks - i lived through the sixties and seventies. For me they were the along with the fifties probably the most awesome and innovative musical period considering all the different kinds of music that was coming out - but who knows whats to come. I don't think it was just the talent but also the political and social situation. They say that America really matured and lost the kind civility of the early 1800's after the Civil war. I think the Vietnam war also changed and hardened us all. At any rate I lean towards southern rock but enjoy almost anything I hear. If you get a chance check out this local band They play out of Rochester NY so probably of little interest to anyone here but still one of the best I've ever heard. They've opened for the likes of Marshal Tucker, Molly Hatchet, the Outlaws and 38 Special Take a peek if you're so inclined google kid kurry band Take care and enjoy

TheBig3 03-04-2011 06:06 AM

Its never smart to say "all" or "none" when make generalizations. So lets say "a lot."

Do you think the idea that a lot of teenagers have a phase where they really love classic rock and wish they were born in the 1960's says all that needs to be said about the decade?

Namely that it was an overbearing Neverneverland for College Kids who didn't want to work at the insurance companies with their fathers? Just a question.

Howard the Duck 03-04-2011 07:54 AM

i think people in the 60s would wish they were in the 40s with all that jazz

TheBig3 03-04-2011 08:15 AM

Only if you forget the ****ty parts of the 40's.

Katey22 03-05-2011 03:04 AM

Tottally
 
I feel like the 60's is my decade.

Wolf Dog Moon 03-14-2011 03:12 PM

right now young people have the ultimate access to all kinds of music, videos, and unique content that I never had such easy access to! Now is the time to be born.

starrynight 03-14-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1003463)
oh I'm pretty sure some people hate the mainstream for being sellouts and playing for the dollar as well. I agree with you about not favor one over the other. I'm heavily into listening to so much music that sometimes yes I will listen to crappy/bad music that just in turn happens to be mainstream as well. I just really hate how people go from "oh it's mainstream." to meaning that "well if it's popular and mainstream that automatically means that it is terribad". That type of elitism that I find here on the forums is just straight up stupid imo. You claim to be open minded to music but then you turn around and shut out all artists that are mainstream.

There's mainstream mainstream and there is mainstream underground. :D Then there is everything else which is relatively little known within it's own genre or is just a relatively small supported genre.

s_k 03-14-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf Dog Moon (Post 1018259)
right now young people have the ultimate access to all kinds of music, videos, and unique content that I never had such easy access to! Now is the time to be born.

--> Thes new guy/girl has a point ;).
I should add: Old people have access to all kinds of music too. Use it!

TockTockTock 03-14-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1018393)
--> Thes new guy/girl has a point ;).
I should add: Old people have access to all kinds of music too. Use it!

With the variety of music that young people are exposed to via internet, all I can say is that music in the future is going to be amazing.

s_k 03-14-2011 06:41 PM

There seems a sort of improvement in music in the last 5 tot 10 years.
Am I the only one thinking that?

TockTockTock 03-14-2011 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1018414)
There seems a sort of improvement in music in the last 5 tot 10 years.
Am I the only one thinking that?

I think it lies in one's taste in music, but I have to say that I do. I see more variety in the past decade than the 90's.

s_k 03-14-2011 06:53 PM

There seems more space for experiments nowadays.
More and more bands don't seem to care if they fit in their time.
There's so much different music nowadays. And it doesn't always sound modern, it doesn't sound hip. It just sounds... Good.
I did a posting a couple of weeks ago. Let me search...

Ah, it was two pages back in this topic.
Here:
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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1001270)
Here you go sir ;)








Music like this doesn't 'fit' the time, yet it is still being made and produced.
I have the feeling something good is going to happen.

Wolf Dog Moon 03-16-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1018420)
There seems more space for experiments nowadays.
More and more bands don't seem to care if they fit in their time.
There's so much different music nowadays. And it doesn't always sound modern, it doesn't sound hip. It just sounds... Good.
I did a posting a couple of weeks ago. Let me search...

Ah, it was two pages back in this topic.
Here:


Music like this doesn't 'fit' the time, yet it is still being made and produced.
I have the feeling something good is going to happen.

Hey I just checked out Wolf People. Sounds good to me.

Wolf Dog Moon 03-16-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1018420)
There seems more space for experiments nowadays.
More and more bands don't seem to care if they fit in their time.
There's so much different music nowadays. And it doesn't always sound modern, it doesn't sound hip. It just sounds... Good.
I did a posting a couple of weeks ago. Let me search...

Ah, it was two pages back in this topic.
Here:


Music like this doesn't 'fit' the time, yet it is still being made and produced.
I have the feeling something good is going to happen.

A lot of cool bands/groups. Thanks!

The Virgin 03-23-2011 05:53 AM

nope. i'm happy with this time and i'm glad the music during my era is the best music i can ever experience.

starrynight 03-23-2011 06:24 AM

2000s definitely better than the 90s for me, if looking beyond just the famous stuff anyway.

Howard the Duck 03-23-2011 06:28 AM

60s 60s 60s

s_k 03-23-2011 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1022861)
2000s definitely better than the 90s for me, if looking beyond just the famous stuff anyway.

It's tough to look beyond famous stuff in an era in which you aren't at that point. But I still have to agree with you.

Neapolitan 03-23-2011 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1018411)
With the variety of music that young people are exposed to via internet, all I can say is that music in the future is going to be amazing.

They might not be interested in taking time to learn a musical instrument if they're on the internet or gaming, they'll invest all their time in those other pursuits - not practicing. There's a possibility too music could be worse. :/

djchameleon 03-24-2011 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1023595)
They might not be interested in taking time to learn a musical instrument if they're on the internet or gaming, they'll invest all their time in those other pursuits - not practicing. There's a possibility too music could be worse. :/

I highly doubt that music is going to get worse. It is just going to change like it always has.

Just because a majority of kids like gaming and being online/internet. There are just as many that have interests in learning an instrument as well. You know what even helped this even though people like to hate on it?

Rock Band and Guitar Hero has renewed interest is the younger generation wanting to learn to play instruments imo.

Some people play those games just for the fun factor but some realize that they would really love to learn how to play them for real instead of just hitting the color coded buttons in sync.

TockTockTock 03-24-2011 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1023673)
I highly doubt that music is going to get worse. It is just going to change like it always has.

Just because a majority of kids like gaming and being online/internet. There are just as many that have interests in learning an instrument as well. You know what even helped this even though people like to hate on it?

Rock Band and Guitar Hero has renewed interest is the younger generation wanting to learn to play instruments imo.

Some people play those games just for the fun factor but some realize that they would really love to learn how to play them for real instead of just hitting the color coded buttons in sync.

Good point, but I'm sure there are some instances that are similar to what Neapolitan was getting at. Of course, we could compare his concept of the influence of gaming in today's society with that of television in the sixties and seventies.

Jerry8376 03-25-2011 02:52 PM

It would have been great to have been able to grow up during the 60s. Such great music and cultural aspects. And, also I would have been able to live through the 70s and 80s. Such great things have happened during those years, but I am sure that we are going to feel lucky that we have lived through the times we have as time continues to go by.

MisterFuzzyHead 03-25-2011 05:24 PM

There isn't any rock icons now - like ozzy, cooper or manson - there needs to be somebody that people go crazy over - who's next?

um i like the 50's lol

djchameleon 03-26-2011 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterFuzzyHead (Post 1024693)
There isn't any rock icons now - like ozzy, cooper or manson - there needs to be somebody that people go crazy over - who's next?

um i like the 50's lol

I don't feel like there NEEDS to be a rock icon for each decade or period of time but that's just my opinion

MusicGeek83 03-30-2011 01:33 PM

I agree ! i wish I would have seen the 70's!

Scarlett O'Hara 04-04-2011 02:29 AM

I would have given my left arm to go to Woodstock. Absolutely love the 60's and 70's rock music. I'm dying to see Uriah Heep and The Rolling Stones again.

djchameleon 04-04-2011 03:40 AM

The only way I would go to see Woodstock is if I could go there in someone else's body and then return to my time period right away.


I really hate the politics and stuff that was going in the 60s and 70s so there is NO ****ING WAY that i'm staying in that time period. If I got stuck back then....I might end up dead. My time travel machine better be working well. I wonder if I could get the Doctah to drop me off in the 60s

Scarlett O'Hara 04-04-2011 03:46 AM

It's cuz ya black isn't it?

djchameleon 04-04-2011 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1030260)
It's cuz ya black isn't it?

did that even need to be asked?

Howard the Duck 04-04-2011 05:21 AM

about the present era - I quite like The Subways

s_k 04-04-2011 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1030224)
I would have given my left arm to go to Woodstock. Absolutely love the 60's and 70's rock music. I'm dying to see Uriah Heep and The Rolling Stones again.

I don't care about the stones at all, but otherwise I'd give my left arm (it's funny you should say left arm... I can't help but thi... nevermind) too.
I should say that we still have some brilliant festivals now, though :)

Howard the Duck 04-04-2011 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1030304)
I don't care about the stones at all, but otherwise I'd give my left arm (it's funny you should say left arm... I can't help but thi... nevermind) too.
I should say that we still have some brilliant festivals now, though :)

I'd give my head to see Hendrix, or give Stephen Hawking head

s_k 04-04-2011 07:13 AM

Yeah I wouldn't... either.
But you will want to keep your head to see hendrix.


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