10 Reasons Why The Rolling Stones Were Better Than The Beatles

Unknown Soldier · 07-07-2011, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I doubt Elvis lost any (maybe as time goes on) but there are just as many Elvis impersonators than any other entertainment icon I can think of. Really you are getting into territory I have no idea about: how popular bands are seen then and now. Most bands of that era are forgotten like DC5, The Hollies, Jerry and the Pacemakers, The Searchers, The Tremeloes, The Yardbirds etc etc. And for some reason The Beatles and The Who fans act like their band are the only ones that every existed - which is pretty annoying. Depending who you talk to the UK only had one band in the 60's The Beatles or The Who. The Jam out-Whoed The Who in the 70's anyway. A band like Joy Division probably have more fans now than then, well at least as far as bands trying to imitate their sound.

That`s not really correct is it, I can tell you that being from the UK, that far more people know who the Stones are than the Who and that the Stones were seen as always being the bigger band! The Rolling Stones and the Beatles are really the crowning pinnacle of fame, popularity and influence of all rock music in the UK and are without doubt the biggest two historically. The Who and say Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd etc are kind of like the next level down, usually only well known by the 40 plus age group or those younger listeners that have an appreciation of music. The other bands such as the Searchers and the Hollies etc are really only remembered by the music buying public at that time anyway.

I was at school when the Jam were around and despite not liking Paul Weller their albums were pretty tight with attitude. Again I wouldn`t compare them with the Who! The Who were four outstanding artists and Daltrey a vocalist in the same category as Plant if not even better, whereas Weller just sounded like a football hooligan in front of a microphone, who just happened to have left wing leanings and singing about life in the UK at that time. The only link between the two is the Mod following that they had and the Jam taking influence from the early Who R&B sound. The Jam played a retro R&B sound infused with punk and they had plenty of attitude, Ray Davies and the Kinks were a big influence on the band as well. In fact, long before Britpop a number of bands at that time in the UK were greatly influenced by the Kinks such as the Boomtown Rats etc. I`d even say that the Kinks were far more of an influence of future UK bands than the Who ever were. As for the Jam now, they`re only really remembered from the Paul Weller connection.

I`d say the following for Joy Division has always remained steady especially since New Order were always a well known band as well.

In fact, the only British bands of the last 20 years that have reached the same heights in terms of prestige and popularity as the Beatles and the Stones here in the UK, are both Oasis and Blur and as is common knowledge both these bands were basically peddling retro sounds from the 60`s anyway.

Howard the Duck · 07-07-2011, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

The other bands such as the Searchers and the Hollies etc are really only remembered by the music buying public at that time anyway.

Not for me, they don't. I discovered the British Invasion through retro tv programs like TOTP 2, and am loving all of those British Invasion bands.

Unknown Soldier · 07-07-2011, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

Not for me, they don't. I discovered the British Invasion through retro tv programs like TOTP 2, and am loving all of those British Invasion bands.

But you don`t count as the general music buying public in the Uk, but as a person who is very interested in music. The only person I know here who raves about these bands is my uncle and as far as he`s concerned, they just don`t make music like that anymore! He`s fairly typical of somebody that would like these bands.

NEWGUY562 · 04-27-2012, 10:50 PM

Choosing the (beatles/stones) is like choosing which parent you love more your mother or father...
The Beatles click well with me because their simple poppy tunes are extremely catchy. Now The Rolling Stones in the 70's completely blew my mind away..It's so tough for me to pick either over one the other. I must add that the Beach Boys are amazing too..Pet Sounds has to be the best album of the 60's.

Neapolitan · 04-28-2012, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

That`s not really correct is it, I can tell you that being from the UK, that far more people know who the Stones are than the Who and that the Stones were seen as always being the bigger band! The Rolling Stones and the Beatles are really the crowning pinnacle of fame, popularity and influence of all rock music in the UK and are without doubt the biggest two historically. The Who and say Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd etc are kind of like the next level down, usually only well known by the 40 plus age group or those younger listeners that have an appreciation of music. The other bands such as the Searchers and the Hollies etc are really only remembered by the music buying public at that time anyway.

I was at school when the Jam were around and despite not liking Paul Weller their albums were pretty tight with attitude. Again I wouldn`t compare them with the Who! The Who were four outstanding artists and Daltrey a vocalist in the same category as Plant if not even better, whereas Weller just sounded like a football hooligan in front of a microphone, who just happened to have left wing leanings and singing about life in the UK at that time. The only link between the two is the Mod following that they had and the Jam taking influence from the early Who R&B sound. The Jam played a retro R&B sound infused with punk and they had plenty of attitude, Ray Davies and the Kinks were a big influence on the band as well. In fact, long before Britpop a number of bands at that time in the UK were greatly influenced by the Kinks such as the Boomtown Rats etc. I`d even say that the Kinks were far more of an influence of future UK bands than the Who ever were. As for the Jam now, they`re only really remembered from the Paul Weller connection.

I`d say the following for Joy Division has always remained steady especially since New Order were always a well known band as well.

In fact, the only British bands of the last 20 years that have reached the same heights in terms of prestige and popularity as the Beatles and the Stones here in the UK, are both Oasis and Blur and as is common knowledge both these bands were basically peddling retro sounds from the 60`s anyway.

I didn't say that The Who was more popular than The Rolling Stones, it's something I notice about Who fans they pretty much act like they are the only band that exist. I don't mind Robert Daltrey (I recognised that he was a strong singer) but I think others were really over-rated. John Paul Jones and John Bonham had more talented and provided a much better rhythm section than the Who's rhythm section. Paul Weller is a much much better guitar player than Pete Townsend. The Who really tanked with Tommy and didn't do anything impressive afterwards. I just think The Jam produced much better music in the 70s than The Who did e.g. David Watts > Eminence Front.

ShamWoww · 04-28-2012, 04:58 AM

I also love how the Rolling Stones kept going while The Beatles broke up( thus never becoming a has-been like the Stones.) and how they decided to release Miss You, ya know the disco record.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-28-2012, 05:03 AM

What's wrong with Miss You?

The Stones have done songs influenced by soul & funk for years, why does it suddenly become disco when they reach a certain point in their careers?

ShamWoww · 04-28-2012, 05:15 AM

Hey I have no problem with the Stones I actually like them a heck of alot...
But Miss You is not quite the same Rolling Stones from Beggars and Let It Bleed.

Unknown Soldier · 04-28-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I didn't say that The Who was more popular than The Rolling Stones, it's something I notice about Who fans they pretty much act like they are the only band that exist. I don't mind Robert Daltrey (I recognised that he was a strong singer) but I think others were really over-rated. John Paul Jones and John Bonham had more talented and provided a much better rhythm section than the Who's rhythm section. Paul Weller is a much much better guitar player than Pete Townsend. The Who really tanked with Tommy and didn't do anything impressive afterwards. I just think The Jam produced much better music in the 70s than The Who did e.g. David Watts > Eminence Front.

I think both Who's Next and Quadrophenia are better albums than Tommy. You're comparing John Entwhistle and Keith Moon to John Paul Jones and John Bonham, its really apples and oranges here, as all of these usually make the top-ten best bass players or drummers of all time anyway. Again comparing the Jam and the Who!!! Two different types of music really and not really that comparable. Strangely enough, the Jam song you've picked out is a Kink's cover

and as I said earlier, the Kinks were far more influential on the Jam than the Who were.

Surell · 04-30-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

What's wrong with Miss You?

The Stones have done songs influenced by soul & funk for years, why does it suddenly become disco when they reach a certain point in their careers?

Shattered was pretty damn disco too, especially considering the context.

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	What's wrong with Miss You? The Stones have done songs influenced by soul & funk for years, why does it suddenly become disco when they reach a certain point in their careers? __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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NEWGUY562 Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 429	Choosing the (beatles/stones) is like choosing which parent you love more your mother or father... The Beatles click well with me because their simple poppy tunes are extremely catchy. Now The Rolling Stones in the 70's completely blew my mind away..It's so tough for me to pick either over one the other. I must add that the Beach Boys are amazing too..Pet Sounds has to be the best album of the 60's.

04-28-2012, 04:58 AM	#406 (permalink)
ShamWoww Groupie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 23	I also love how the Rolling Stones kept going while The Beatles broke up( thus never becoming a has-been like the Stones.) and how they decided to release Miss You, ya know the disco record.

04-28-2012, 05:15 AM	#408 (permalink)
ShamWoww Groupie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 23	Hey I have no problem with the Stones I actually like them a heck of alot... But Miss You is not quite the same Rolling Stones from Beggars and Let It Bleed.