The 40th Anniversary of Woodstock

Astronomer · 08-17-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NumberNineDream

the US is not the center of the world.

Most people from the US think otherwise.

mr dave · 08-18-2009, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NumberNineDream

the US is not the center of the world.

so... how about filling people in on the rest of the non-US based elements of the 60s that were so amazing? the whole hippie movement directly started in san francisco after all (which indirectly spawned psychedelic music).

so unless there's another major cultural element to the 60s i'm overlooking, in this case the US actually IS the center of the matter.

GuitarBizarre · 08-18-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

And this is why I don't like you, this is the kinda attitude that you like to settle all your arguments with and it's very redundant at this point.

Seriously, I'm expressing my opinion as well, just because it's not your totally revolutionary point of view doesn't mean it's not a goddamn point of view, seriously, stop being such a condescending ass.

From where I'm sat, you're the condescending ass here. Dave made a reasonable post and wasn't at all offensive. The first WORD of your post on the other hand was 'Hell' followed swiftly by a little pretentious rant about how woodstock was clearly the most awesme thing ever liek omg.

Not to mention, Dave is right. For everything it did, the hippie movement was total bull**** in the way it portrayed its ideas. It was realyl nothing more than a big excuse for people to feel superior to 'the man' and toke it up. Even the Beatles realised that sooner rather than later, and they were off their faces on drugs more than most. the vast majority of hippies who could even be bothered to HOLD ideals, did so in a half assed way and basically just whined about it without ever doing anything.

Hippiecrosy indeed.

boo boo · 08-18-2009, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

so... how about filling people in on the rest of the non-US based elements of the 60s that were so amazing? the whole hippie movement directly started in san francisco after all (which indirectly spawned psychedelic music).

so unless there's another major cultural element to the 60s i'm overlooking, in this case the US actually IS the center of the matter.

Uh? British f*cking invasion?

GuitarBizarre · 08-18-2009, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Uh? British f*cking invasion?

That would be me.

*invades*

mr dave · 08-18-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Uh? British f*cking invasion?

...and where were they trying to invade? what was the target? where was the center of that matter again?...

NumberNineDream · 08-18-2009, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

so... how about filling people in on the rest of the non-US based elements of the 60s that were so amazing? the whole hippie movement directly started in san francisco after all (which indirectly spawned psychedelic music).

so unless there's another major cultural element to the 60s i'm overlooking, in this case the US actually IS the center of the matter.

i meant the 60's isn't only the war between the US and Vietnam ... it was a major thing, but not the only thing.
and personally i'd want to live in Britain or France in the 60's and definitely not in the US.

and being the #1 power in the world doesn't make the US the only country or culture in the world ... i assure you we weren't thinking about the hippies, the flower power or the vietnam in the middle east ... still even here, the 60's were the best years in the last millennium [musically and culturally, overall] , and not only in the past century.

Unknown Soldier · 08-18-2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

...and where were they trying to invade? what was the target? where was the center of that matter again?...

Invade= The USA, The Target= The US music market.

It could be argued that groups like the Beatles, Rolling Stones and the Who etc were very much the centre of where it was at.

Psychedelia fitted in and around all this and later blossomed prog.

TheBig3 · 08-18-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

i think woodstock '69 is the high water mark of the hippie(crosy) movement. do you really expect people to not remember the ultra awesome woodstock '99 whenever this comes up?

the event itself was interesting, especially from a cultural perspective. the music was alright. i think a lot of people look back at that music and think it's somehow 'better' because they're associating it with the idealistic innocence that everyone was wrapping themselves in at the time. they're applying their memories of the time when they first heard that music as a reflection of the music as opposed to just being a reminder of being young. whatever.

hendrix owned that show.

I think Woodstock is idealized more for its cultural douchebaggery than it is for anything else.

Its hard to imagine why anyone would care about music that old and at this point, stale. No one immortalizes the first Boonaroo or lollapalooza.

Its fairly obvious to me it still gives people faith in some vague, shallow notion of peace and love and supposedly tells us what it can do for the world, but just as the assertion the music can "heal the world" is constantly proved wrong, what is similarly constant is that "peace and love" are just taglines to **** stoned blonde-women back in your tour bus.

I'm glad you like playing without your shoes, go nuts. But I paid $60 for this ticket you freeloading moron, now play me some music or I'm going to **** all over your youtube videos.

TheBig3 · 08-18-2009, 08:55 AM

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Most people from the US think otherwise.

When you're talking about the 60's, we sorta are. I'm not going to get into a culture war here, but I wouldn't look at the U.S. like you look at Euro countries because we don't operate in the same way. There is nothing that makes a person distinctly "american" and so despite our arrogance, its hard to lay claim to what makes up "better" than anyone else.

You should view U.S. culture as your culture to.

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Uh? British f*cking invasion?

By 1967 America had well caught up to the Brit's if you look at music as a whole. James Brown was arguably the most dominant force out there at the time and as far as revolutionizing a sound few things compare to the godless monster of funk. He gave birth to less bands than the Beatles, or the Stones, but who's going to argue that there are better offspring than PFunk and Prince?

I'm not mindlessly pro-american. I use to think we were **** at one point but thats when I thought I knew everything. We have a great amount of value and I'm not sure what purpose is served by undermining that.

Woodstock was still **** btw.