Bob Dylan Vs Neil Young

jayshreddz · 03-22-2012, 07:34 PM

yeah man crank the amps to 11!

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 03-22-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Yeah, sort of, but with production to help it sound more mainstream. I think Soundgarden, AIC and Pearl Jam sound way different from that though. AIC and Soundgarden were heavier and more like metal than hardcore. Pearl Jam was something different entirely, no hardcore or metal influence at all. Most of the original Seattle "grunge" bands were just hardcore acts, Nirvana included.

I guess they have basic similarities in that they were mainstreamy alternative rock sounding, which is probably the criteria for being labeled a grunge band.

I think the problem is that bands that were labeled grunge early on later became part of the broader alternative rock movement. Nirvana's first album, Bleach, is a pretty good example of that classic Subpop grunge sound. Both of their follow up albums sound nothing like it, but by the time the mainstream media had caught on, they were kind of arbitrarily labled "grunge" in all the zeitgeist, along with the rest of the grunge and hardcore bands who experimented with more radio-friendly pop styles.

Forward To Death · 03-22-2012, 10:00 PM

Yeah, Bleach is like slowed down hardcore punk. It's closer to metal than any of the popular grunge stuff. Green River, Melvins and Screaming Trees were all like that. I agree, there is similarity in early grunge for certain.

jayshreddz · 03-23-2012, 05:42 PM

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Do you even realize how much Pearl Jam owe to Neil Young? Without Neil Young, Pearl Jam as you know it probably wouldn't have existed.

yeah like the others have said pearl jam would have been around no matter what. have you heard of "ten"? such an amazing album and a lot better than anything neil young or bob dylan ever recorded.

blastingas10 · 03-23-2012, 06:20 PM

Pj couldn't give a bj that was worthy of the dicks of Dylan or young.

Unknown Soldier · 03-23-2012, 06:39 PM

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Pj couldn't give a bj that was worthy of the dicks of Dylan or young.

I beg to differ.

blastingas10 · 03-23-2012, 06:54 PM

As already stated, pj owes a lot to young. And young owes a lot to Dylan. Pj is good but they're not even worthy of comparing to Dylan or young. Pj is a band, Dylan and young are men. Eddie vedder is great but he's nothing compared to young and Dylan. They paved the way for people like Eddie vedder. Mr. Vedder wouldn't disagree.

Unknown Soldier · 03-23-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

As already stated, pj owes a lot to young. And young owes a lot to Dylan. Pj is good but they're not even worthy of comparing to Dylan or young. Pj is a band, Dylan and young are men. Eddie vedder is great but he's nothing compared to young and Dylan. They paved the way for people like Eddie vedder. Mr. Vedder wouldn't disagree.

On a serious note now. I never liked Dylan, but as a song writer he's pretty much as good as it ever got and I love his material when it was sung by other well known artists such as the Hendrix and the Byrds etc.

Neil Young on the other hand is an all time favourite artist of mine, but that's got a lot to do with his hooking up with Crazy Horse and those albums and live performances of theirs in the 1970s are legandary, hell I would've loved to have seen that band live back then.

Pearl Jam are as far as I'm concerned, are one of the greatest hard rock acts ever and as hard rock is probably my fav musical genre anyway, I'm not making some idle boast here. The band check all the right boxes of what hard rock is all about and Eddie Vedder is a real muscle vocalist and these type of vocalists are often few and far between. PJ owe a huge debt to Neil Young and his appearance on the Mirrorball album ties that link up.

Finally, I don't know why Vedder's vocal chops are being compared to Dylan's or Young's as they are at the opposite ends of the rock spectrum.

blastingas10 · 03-24-2012, 01:09 AM

I wasn't comparing their voices. I agree, technically Eddie vedder can sing a lot better than Dylan or young. He's a great singer. Call me crazy But I like Dylans voice more. It's not about the sound that one can project with their voice, it's about the feeling and emotion that one express through their voice. And to me, not many can do that better than Dylan.

No offense to crazy horse, but crosby, stills and Nash were the most talented musicians young ever played with. Mostly stills. Neil just didn't have enough time in the spotlight when he was in CSNY, that's why a lot of young fans prefer crazy horse. Crosby and Nash were great singers and stills was a great guitarist/singer-songwriter. He doesnt get enough credit. He's a hell of a lot better than young at guitar, his voice technically better and he wrote some pretty great songs. Neil was just a lot more consistent with his songwriting.

Forward To Death · 03-24-2012, 01:42 AM

Pearl Jam was good for 2 years, that's it. And Eddie Vedder copied his vocal style from Doug Ingle. I'd also put Pearl Jam down as the weakest (and lightest) of Seattle's big four. Ten was a very good album, and Vs. was alright, but the band has become a parody of itself.

03-24-2012, 01:09 AM	#79 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I wasn't comparing their voices. I agree, technically Eddie vedder can sing a lot better than Dylan or young. He's a great singer. Call me crazy But I like Dylans voice more. It's not about the sound that one can project with their voice, it's about the feeling and emotion that one express through their voice. And to me, not many can do that better than Dylan. No offense to crazy horse, but crosby, stills and Nash were the most talented musicians young ever played with. Mostly stills. Neil just didn't have enough time in the spotlight when he was in CSNY, that's why a lot of young fans prefer crazy horse. Crosby and Nash were great singers and stills was a great guitarist/singer-songwriter. He doesnt get enough credit. He's a hell of a lot better than young at guitar, his voice technically better and he wrote some pretty great songs. Neil was just a lot more consistent with his songwriting. Last edited by blastingas10; 03-24-2012 at 01:15 AM.

03-22-2012, 07:34 PM	#71 (permalink)
jayshreddz Groupie Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: somewhere awesome Posts: 112	yeah man crank the amps to 11!

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Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	Yeah, Bleach is like slowed down hardcore punk. It's closer to metal than any of the popular grunge stuff. Green River, Melvins and Screaming Trees were all like that. I agree, there is similarity in early grunge for certain.

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blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Pj couldn't give a bj that was worthy of the dicks of Dylan or young.

03-23-2012, 06:54 PM	#77 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	As already stated, pj owes a lot to young. And young owes a lot to Dylan. Pj is good but they're not even worthy of comparing to Dylan or young. Pj is a band, Dylan and young are men. Eddie vedder is great but he's nothing compared to young and Dylan. They paved the way for people like Eddie vedder. Mr. Vedder wouldn't disagree.

03-24-2012, 01:42 AM	#80 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	Pearl Jam was good for 2 years, that's it. And Eddie Vedder copied his vocal style from Doug Ingle. I'd also put Pearl Jam down as the weakest (and lightest) of Seattle's big four. Ten was a very good album, and Vs. was alright, but the band has become a parody of itself.