Clapton, Beck, Page vs Hendrix, Gibbons, Vaughn

Bloozcrooz · 06-03-2011, 02:20 AM

Thats some pretty cool footage of Srv there RezZ. Ive never seen that performance of that particular song with Beck, and he was jammim in typical all out Srv fashion. Dude played with the same enthusiasm, and soul every time he took the stage...... like a man possessed.

Dotoar · 06-03-2011, 07:16 AM

You know what, I'm gonna go ahead and put some fuel on the fire and throw in Pete Townshend here as being maybe not the best Guitar Player, but probably one of the best guitarists ever to put his playing to good use. Or if you will, he's one of the most adequate guitar players ever.

No, let me finish. He's definitely not a great Guitar Player - no need to point out the obvious here - but he's definitely a musical genius and a rare, if not the sole, example of someone who looked upon the guitar not as an instrument unto itself but as a mean to accomplish higher goals. Of course, he was part of a four-headed vehicle that could realise the visions of his songwriting, but neverhteless he was an integral part of it as well as the head visionary of The Who. I'd be hard pressed to find another guitarist who so incisively strived for progress while at the same time being fully aware of his technical shortcomings and in the process replacing the guitar performance itself with songwriting genius and, well, synthesizers, in order to fulfill the vision. Let's face it, he has written - and performed - more great songs than all of the six discussed in this thread combined together.

And all that said, he's still one of the best rythm players in rock history, period.

(I'm gonna lock myself into the bathroom now to avoid wedgies and toilet baptizing)

Necromancer · 06-03-2011, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dotoar

Pete Townshend, he's still one of the best rhythm players in rock history, period.

I agree.

Bloozcrooz · 06-03-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dotoar

You know what, I'm gonna go ahead and put some fuel on the fire and throw in Pete Townshend here as being maybe not the best Guitar Player, but probably one of the best guitarists ever to put his playing to good use. Or if you will, he's one of the most adequate guitar players ever.

No, let me finish. He's definitely not a great Guitar Player - no need to point out the obvious here - but he's definitely a musical genius and a rare, if not the sole, example of someone who looked upon the guitar not as an instrument unto itself but as a mean to accomplish higher goals. Of course, he was part of a four-headed vehicle that could realise the visions of his songwriting, but neverhteless he was an integral part of it as well as the head visionary of The Who. I'd be hard pressed to find another guitarist who so incisively strived for progress while at the same time being fully aware of his technical shortcomings and in the process replacing the guitar performance itself with songwriting genius and, well, synthesizers, in order to fulfill the vision. Let's face it, he has written - and performed - more great songs than all of the six discussed in this thread combined together.

And all that said, he's still one of the best rythm players in rock history, period.

(I'm gonna lock myself into the bathroom now to avoid wedgies and toilet baptizing)

Lets not forget here that Jimi only made it to the age of 27. Im not taking anything away from Townshend here, but the determination Hendrix had for advancing his progress was unparalled imo. As far as being aware of his technical short comings im not sure that he had any really. His capabilities for matching ideas in his head, and translating them through his strat, and lyrics to this day remains superior to me. Not to mention just the overall experimentation of sound barriers he broke recording wise and his fusion of psychadelic rock and blues. Not just that, but then he really made popular the unique style of which he played. By that I mean the grip he used, and invertion of chords and melodic play(Little Wing) was unlike anything people had ever heard or seen. I mean the guys got chords named after him..(the Hendrix chord)..which if you were in the key of E would be something like a E7 sharp 9 I think. Its like a B7 with your pinky placed a 1/2 step back. Anyway point being all of these things combined were part of the mystique that added to the genius of imo..the greatest all around musician to have ever graced us with his presence. All hail Jimi Hendrix

Necromancer · 06-03-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

Lets not forget here that Jimi only made it to the age of 27. Im not taking anything away from Townshend here, but the determination Hendrix had for advancing his progress was unparalled imo. As far as being aware of his technical short comings im not sure that he had any really. His capabilities for matching ideas in his head, and translating them through his strat, and lyrics to this day remains superior to me. Not to mention just the overall experimentation of sound barriers he broke recording wise and his fusion of psychadelic rock and blues. Not just that, but then he really made popular the unique style of which he played. By that I mean the grip he used, and invertion of chords and melodic play(Little Wing) was unlike anything people had ever heard or seen. I mean the guys got chords named after him..(the Hendrix chord)..which if you were in the key of E would be something like a E7 sharp 9 I think. Its like a B7 with your pinky placed a 1/2 step back. Anyway point being all of these things combined were part of the mystique that added to the genius of imo..the greatest all around musician to have ever graced us with his presence. All hail Jimi Hendrix

Not to many artist could influence a whole new genre in the way Hendrix could.

(wikipedia'd)
Jimi Hendrix was the first well-known recording artist to combine the rhythms and riffs of early funk to his rock sound. Perhaps the earliest example is his song "Little Miss Lover" (1967). His live album Band of Gypsys features funky riffs and rhythms throughout (especially the songs "Who Knows" and "Power of Soul") and his unfinished album also included a couple of funk-rock songs such as "Freedom", "Izabella" and "Straight Ahead".

Source:Funk rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bloozcrooz · 06-03-2011, 09:28 AM

I can hear a lot of Hendrix inspired melodies and riffs in the Chilli Peppers music. Ive never been a huge fan, but they have a few songs that I like.

Dotoar · 06-03-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

Lets not forget here that Jimi only made it to the age of 27. Im not taking anything away from Townshend here, but the determination Hendrix had for advancing his progress was unparalled imo. As far as being aware of his technical short comings im not sure that he had any really. His capabilities for matching ideas in his head, and translating them through his strat, and lyrics to this day remains superior to me. Not to mention just the overall experimentation of sound barriers he broke recording wise and his fusion of psychadelic rock and blues. Not just that, but then he really made popular the unique style of which he played. By that I mean the grip he used, and invertion of chords and melodic play(Little Wing) was unlike anything people had ever heard or seen. I mean the guys got chords named after him..(the Hendrix chord)..which if you were in the key of E would be something like a E7 sharp 9 I think. Its like a B7 with your pinky placed a 1/2 step back. Anyway point being all of these things combined were part of the mystique that added to the genius of imo..the greatest all around musician to have ever graced us with his presence. All hail Jimi Hendrix

I wasn't talking down Hendrix, mind you. From a purely technical point of view he's probably topping my list as well. His shortcomings were more of an architectural nature, in that he didn't really write very good songs, something which he shares with just about every subsequent guitar hero (all of the ones in the threadstart included). I mean, he's got a few deserved classics like "Little wing", "Purple haze" and so on, but he was more of a performer than anything else. Isn't it common knowledge that his take on "Watchtower" is superior to the Dylan original, for instance?

And while we're on the subject, let's not forget that Hendrix also surrounded himself (ok, maybe it was thanks to Chas Chandler, but let's not split hairs) with a - for his playing style - top-notch backing, especially the dextrous chops of Mitch Mitchell. The whole band added to the extraordinary sound of the three classic records, and if not for them along with Hendrix's performing shenanigans, a lot of the songs would probably - yes, I'm gonna say it - stink.

Bloozcrooz · 06-03-2011, 09:56 AM

Hendrix version of "All Along The Watchtower" was definatlely the better version than the original. (props for writing it Bob) but still. Even Bob was ecstatic to have Hendrix come out covering it the way the he did. As far as appreciating Hendrix rythym section im more partial to a lot of what he put out with Redding and Mitchell myself than I am "The band Of Gypsys" I dont dislike any of it cause its still Hendrix but im just more keen on the dynamic they had in the early days of getting started.

Necromancer · 06-03-2011, 09:59 AM

Billy Gibbons is one of the best when it comes to "Texas Blues". A lot of music enthusiast of today, might find ZZ Top's music boring, but on the other hand, one might also suggest that ZZ Top is a good example of what Blues Rock is all about. He is the lead singer and composer for many of the band's songs. Gibbons is known for playing his Gretsch Billy Bo guitar and his famous 1959 Gibson Les Paul guitar known as Pearly Gates. Gibbons has a Bass vocal range, spanning E♭1 to E♭5, one of the widest ranges in Rock. He is also noted for using a Mexican peso coin as a guitar pick, and uses many pinch harmonics in his solos. Gibbons is very underrated and if not sometimes, unappreciated as one of the great guitarist of rock in my opinion.
In May of this year 2011, it was announced that Gibbons was named as the 2012 Texas State Musician by the Texas Commission on the Arts.

Dotoar · 06-03-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

Hendrix version of "All Along The Watchtower" was definatlely the better version than the original. (props for writing it Bob) but still. Even Bob was ecstatic to have Hendrix come out covering it the way the he did. As far as appreciating Hendrix rythym section im more partial to a lot of what he put out with Redding and Mitchell myself than I am "The band Of Gypsys" I dont dislike any of it cause its still Hendrix but im just more keen on the dynamic they had in the early days of getting started.

Another great token of Hendrix's adaptation skills is when he did "Sgt. Pepper" live two days after the release of the album. Even my own little damned country Sweden got its share of his blessing when he did Hansson & Karlsson's "Tax free". I mean, how great is that!

06-03-2011, 07:16 AM	#112 (permalink)
Dotoar Supernatural anaesthetist Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Örebro, Sweden Posts: 436	You know what, I'm gonna go ahead and put some fuel on the fire and throw in Pete Townshend here as being maybe not the best Guitar Player, but probably one of the best guitarists ever to put his playing to good use. Or if you will, he's one of the most adequate guitar players ever. No, let me finish. He's definitely not a great Guitar Player - no need to point out the obvious here - but he's definitely a musical genius and a rare, if not the sole, example of someone who looked upon the guitar not as an instrument unto itself but as a mean to accomplish higher goals. Of course, he was part of a four-headed vehicle that could realise the visions of his songwriting, but neverhteless he was an integral part of it as well as the head visionary of The Who. I'd be hard pressed to find another guitarist who so incisively strived for progress while at the same time being fully aware of his technical shortcomings and in the process replacing the guitar performance itself with songwriting genius and, well, synthesizers, in order to fulfill the vision. Let's face it, he has written - and performed - more great songs than all of the six discussed in this thread combined together. And all that said, he's still one of the best rythm players in rock history, period. (I'm gonna lock myself into the bathroom now to avoid wedgies and toilet baptizing) __________________ - More is more -

06-03-2011, 09:59 AM	#119 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Billy Gibbons (Texas Blues) Billy Gibbons is one of the best when it comes to "Texas Blues". A lot of music enthusiast of today, might find ZZ Top's music boring, but on the other hand, one might also suggest that ZZ Top is a good example of what Blues Rock is all about. He is the lead singer and composer for many of the band's songs. Gibbons is known for playing his Gretsch Billy Bo guitar and his famous 1959 Gibson Les Paul guitar known as Pearly Gates. Gibbons has a Bass vocal range, spanning E♭1 to E♭5, one of the widest ranges in Rock. He is also noted for using a Mexican peso coin as a guitar pick, and uses many pinch harmonics in his solos. Gibbons is very underrated and if not sometimes, unappreciated as one of the great guitarist of rock in my opinion. In May of this year 2011, it was announced that Gibbons was named as the 2012 Texas State Musician by the Texas Commission on the Arts.