Exactly. Urban was agreeing with many points but he was pertaining to the fact that it is virtually impossible to bash The Beatles in any way without the fanboys becoming irate. The beatles WERE influential but they were not the only frigging band in the 60's expanding upon a fairly primitive musical template.

Yeh it does not matter because rock music is just made of elements from the past. Its really how you combine them and make a sound. The Beatles had great influence but mostly everything like backward tape, tape loops, sampling, feedback and drone were done in other genres of music. They just tweaked a lot of it for pop music the way every great band does in any genre. The same could be said for the The Velvet Underground.

I have to say I agree that the Beatles were the most influential -- but not because they blended genres or some stupid sh!t like that. The Beatles were the most influential because their popularity is universal or nearly so among songwriters, which bore incredible repercussions upon the musical world. Lennon/McCartney are consistently cited as two of the best songwriters ever, not just by fanboys but by the world at large.

Are they overrated? Sure. But that doesn't corrupt the Beatles' far-reaching and ubiquitous influence on musicians from a wide variety of genres.

It also does'nt mean that they are immune from criticism either. I grew up with the Beatles but I am not so short sighted as to see their shortcomings. Hell. Pink Floyd are my favourite band and I can see their failings.

All that is being said is that not everything that is good about music is solely down to The Beatles. Just because George Harrison got stoned and picked up a sitar one balmy Indian evening beneath the stars does'nt mean that we should be forever indebted to them.

It seems as though most of the points from Radiohead90's argument wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for Les Paul's influence on how music sounds technically and how it is recorded and produced.

Well said. We could also go back further and state Robert Johnson's importance. The Beatles were not the only band in the 60's people.

Of course not. But the Beatles' shortcomings (they certainly exist) don't really corrupt their influence on musicians as a whole. If we were guaging the Beatles' influence based on a criterion of ingenuity, they probably wouldn't top that list. I just don't understand why the Beatles have to be the most inventive to have such a wide influence. Does that make sense to you?

The point being that cantankerous fuckers like Urban and Comus shouldn't start needless arguments when they can think instead. ;)

I'm not starting anything. I didn't start the thread.

Your aggravation is beginning to aggravate me.

Come On Dylan Only Has Four Votes You People Are Discussing The Beatles While Completely Ignoring The All Too Obvious Fact That The Person That Inspired A Million To Write And A Million More To Rebel Has Only Got 4 Votes

EDIT: Man I should be allowed to ****ing well type in caps if I want to.