Frownland

sorry I hurt your feelings man but you're still wrong. Determining something to be the best should coincide with what you consider your favourite or else your criteria for one of those things is downright foolish.

How do you determine what would be your favourite if it isn't also what you consider to be the best? That just doesn't make any sense. They are both equally subjective things and are both determine what is the greatest out of something.

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JGuy Grungeman

Yes it does, because resonance is all about how an album feels to you inside, However, should that really cloud judgement on quality? I can have favorite albums for different reasons than quality. And I admit I have a lot of favorite albums that are my faves becasuse of their quality. But you're asking me to change my opinion to wane down your confusion, which in itself is no subjectivity.

Determination is simple. Quality should be judged, right? As an aspiring critic, I do that all the time. Favoritism can be about different reasons, quality is all about one thing. And recognizing the difference is not foolish. And I've met plenty of people who share my opinion. Although they would still rather see my favorites, they recognize the difference. The only difference between me and them is that I order my charts in terms of best instead of favoritism.

JGuy Grungeman

Here are my five favorite movies.

1. Aliens - for the quality.
2. The Prince of Egypt - for the drama
3. Anasrasia - for the music and drama
4. The Fifth Element - For the characters and scenery.
5. Forrest Gump - for Tom Hanks

However, I recognize flaws in most of these movies. Prince of Egypt had one flaw I can't remember, but it bugs me whenever I see it. Anastasia's character movements were a little cartoony, and I didn't get how no matter how much you turned the music box it always stopped when people were done singing. The Fifth Element was a bit hokey and dorky, even though I love the characters and the scenery. Forrest Gump was a little hokey as well, even though that sdded to the humor.

Here are five films I feel are perfect.

1. Blade Runner
2. Sunset Boulevard
4. Chinatown
4. Aliens
5. The Dark Knight

I have no complaint about the quality. However, if I fit my opinion so that everything I lie absolutely must be perfecy, I'd be ignoring sides of myself, like the side of myself that loves the flamboyence of The Fifth Element, the side that loves Tom Hanks acting above any flaw in the film. And even though I love Tom Hanks' role so much that the flaws don't stop my favoritism of the movie, that doesn't mean the critic inside me must ignore the flaws.

Frownland

Jesus, enough with the ****ty analogies. It really depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking about medical procedures, best and your favourite can easily be different because there's a high degree of objectivity to it. Something that is entirely subjective such as art really doesn't make sense to have different things for what you seem best and favourite. If you're going to be a critic, deliver your own opinions instead of pandering to what you think is more objective.

Now watch him dig his heels in and begin a tangential rant.

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JGuy Grungeman

Of all the people who I've explained my reasoning to in this manner... you're the first who's ever said that. Art can't change the definitions of words.

So, what's a tangenial taste like?

Is it a mixture of a tangerine and genitals? Because that seems pretty disgusting.

As far as discussion goes, I'm using sources and explanations while you're really just telling me the same thing over and over again. Not very convincing. I know what it's like to put them together, but I prefer to do it this way becasue it excercises judgement, and since I'm not the only one who believes my argument, I have no problem. So far, you're the only one who really seems to have a problem with it, and anyone else who had a "problem" really didn't go so far to argue.

Frownland

My experience with the English language is that words have different uses in different contexts. Shocking, I know.

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JGuy Grungeman

But is that context always correct? Common usage doesn't always mean correctness. If people starting using "the" to describe a pencil, people are just making morons of themselves. I'm not saying the similarities and differences of best and favorite make a moron if used incorrectly, but you can't just take a word and turn it into something different.

But it's gotten apparent that we can't really convince each other of the other side, so I'm not going to argue. If you want to continue to derail the thread with a somewhat unrelated subject on definitions instead of the Beatles topic this was intended for, you can still discuss it if you want. But it's getting tiring, and I want to enjoy my morning with some Eagles and possibly King Crimson.

Frownland

I'm gonna recommend that you stop trying to use analogies to justify your point because they seem to be false ones at that.

Favourite: preferred before all others of the same kind.

Best: of the most excellent, effective, or desirable type or quality.

In art, determining excellence is entirely subjective, much like how you determine your preference. Effectiveness isn't really relevant in art related discussions. Desirability and preference are incredibly similar. There you go, I went to the dictionary (although you recommended that I look at the almighty thesaurus) and proved you wrong. So suck on that, semantics man.

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JGuy Grungeman

I'll just make this one last post. Forgive me.

But not all of my favorites are favorites because of their quality. ANd they aren't ****ty analogies. You're the only one with the problem. If you want to have a discussion with me, stop calling my analogies ****ty. The fact that you keep saying that denotes that you are too annoyed to determine why there are ****ty, while you just re-word the same argument over again.

Frownland

That's nice. You think that those favourites are the best out of the catalogue though, right? That's my main point.

I'll use different nomenclature, then: your analogies are awful. They are terrible analogies because you're comparing two wildly different situations (mainly the pencil one) and acting as if there's a logic to be derived from that that you can use in this discussion when there is no basis.

Or you could have found that out by clicking on the link I provided in the last post. Just avoid analogies until you've got a good grasp on how to make a good one.

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