Lennon-McCartney vs Waters-Gilmour vs Page-Plant

[Eleanor Rigby 14]

Which songrwriting partnership was better? Please coment and tell your reasons!

[OccultHawk]

Lennon McCartney were the most revolutionary and influential and straight up simply wrote the best songs and in crazy numbers.

Waters typically wrote by himself and Zep often wrote as a band or with JPJ.

[Eleanor Rigby 14]

I agree that Lennon-McCartney were the best ones, but Wish You Were Here, Comfortably Numb or Shine On You Crazy Diamond were written by Gilmour (music) and Waters (lyrics), so I'd say Pink Floyd was based on the songs these two wrote together. As for Led Zeppelin, John Paul Jones would suggest ideas, but I'd say he was to Led Zeppelin what George Harrison was to The Beatles (and what Rick Wright was to Pink Floyd). Jimmy Page and Robert Plant wrote/arranged together the following songs without the help of any other band member:
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, The Battle Of Evermore, Four Sticks, Going To California, Houses Of The Holy, Immigrant Song, Living Loving Maid, Nobody's Fault But Mine, Over The Hills and Far Away, The Rain Song, Ramble On, STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, Tangerine, Ten Years Gone, Thank You or What Is And What Should Never Be.
I still agree that Lennon-McCartney were better, but I think it's fair to compare them with others, too. Maybe it would have been more fair to remove Lennon and McCartney and just compare Waters-Gilmour vs Page-Plant, what do you think?
But hey, it's just an opinion.
And thank you for voting!

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14

I agree that Lennon-McCartney were the best ones, but Wish You Were Here, Comfortably Numb or Shine On You Crazy Diamond were written by Gilmour (music) and Waters (lyrics), so I'd say Pink Floyd was based on the songs these two wrote together. As for Led Zeppelin, John Paul Jones would suggest ideas, but I'd say he was to Led Zeppelin what George Harrison was to The Beatles (and what Rick Wright was to Pink Floyd). Jimmy Page and Robert Plant wrote/arranged together the following songs without the help of any other band member:
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, The Battle Of Evermore, Four Sticks, Going To California, Houses Of The Holy, Immigrant Song, Living Loving Maid, Nobody's Fault But Mine, Over The Hills and Far Away, The Rain Song, Ramble On, STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, Tangerine, Ten Years Gone, Thank You or What Is And What Should Never Be.
I still agree that Lennon-McCartney were better, but I think it's fair to compare them with others, too.
But hey, it's just an opinion.

Those are great examples. But ultimately Waters was a dictator and Zeppelin was a band. And George Harrison wrote independently compared to JPJ. Even No Quarter JPJ’s greatest achievement (and LZ’s as well imo) was co-written with Page and Plant

However you list enough songs to where all of your examples are song writing tandems so fair enough. It just doesn’t strike me the same as L-M or Jagger Richards

Otoh if you really break it down you have to admit the L-M “team” was a farce. They wrote independently.

It’s a good poll.

[Eleanor Rigby 14]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Those are great examples. But ultimately Waters was a dictator and Zeppelin was a band. And George Harrison wrote independently compared to JPJ. Even No Quarter JPJ’s greatest achievement (and LZ’s as well imo) was co-written with Page and Plant

However you list enough songs to where all of your examples are song writing tandems so fair enough. It just doesn’t strike me the same as L-M or Jagger Richards

Otoh if you really break it down you have to admit the L-M “team” was a farce. They wrote independently.

It’s a good poll.

Yeah, I agree that Lennon-McCartney were the best ones, but it's interesting to see if the others get some votes, too. I get your point, my favourite Zep tune was also cowritten with JPJ (Since I've Been Loving You), what I wanted to say when I compared him with Harrison and Wright was that he was the "quiet" member always adding instruments or ideas instead of really writing a song (usually Page and Plant did that). I agree, Harrison wrote on his own during the last years of the band, but in the beginning he would just come up with ideas to make better the Lennon-McCartney songs.
Waters became the dictator of Pink Floyd when they're working on The Wall, he wrote 23 songs out of 26, if i remember well, on his own. But The Wall is being mostly remembered for Another Brick In The Wall Pt.2 (written entirely by Waters), Comfortably Numb (the music is from David Gilmour) and maybe Young Lust (music also from David Gilmour) So I'd say both had the same importance in Pink Floyd's songrwriting.
And I'm very glad to be able to coment here, it's very interesting to debate about music while I try to improve my English xd (that's why my coments are sooo long)

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Otoh if you really break it down you have to admit the L-M “team” was a farce. They wrote independently.

In the later years they did, but during the first half of their run their songwriting was definitely intertwined.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

In the later years they did, but during the first half of their run their songwriting was definitely intertwined.

Good point.

[Mucha na Dziko]

It’s funny how the Beatles don’t get as much love around here as Floyd and Zepp, but when it was time to vote, they murder stomp the others

Originally Posted by Alright

Sorry, can't do it

Really, it’s not a question of who do you like best, but a one about who was - as objectively as you can - best

And as much as people can have different tastes, to say that Gilmour/Waters or Page/Plant were better songwriters, or better „songwriting teams” than Lennon-McCartney is fairly absurd

Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14

2000000 years later Waters-Gilmour and Page-Plant still don't have a single vote...

And quite possibly in 2000000 they’ll be forgotten by posteriority, while Lennon/McCartney will still thrive.

It’s a bit like a Mozart/Salieri thing I think

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

In the later years they did, but during the first half of their run their songwriting was definitely intertwined.

Actually the Get Back documentary shows a different picture.
Like Lennon/McCartney were working together on „Gimme Some Truth” and „I’ve Got A Feeling”.

Taking what Lennon was saying after the break-up aside, it seems they didn’t change the process much in the later years.

Like, you can’t actually write a song together with someone else. You need to have an idea that your partner will develop on.

Another example would be „Come Together”. Lennon wrote the lyrics and chords, but it was McCartney who came up with the bassline (which is the most iconic element of that song). If that’s not writing in team, then I don’t know what is.

And like, yeah, sure, they probably spent more time together in the early years, but a quick fact check actually proves they complimented each other as songwriters all throughout.

[Marie Monday]

Lennon and McCartney by a mile. It's not even comparable imo

[Psy-Fi]

I voted for Lennon & McCartney for the same reasons as Hawk and Marie. I dig Zeppelin and Floyd and I think they're both in the upper echelon of rock groups but John & Paul were at a level above both of them and pretty much everyone else.