The Rolling Stones or the Beatles? (metal, rap, pearl jam, metallica)

almauro · 06-09-2007, 02:11 PM

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On the other hand, the Beatles influence died with them in the late 60’s.

Alright, I may have gone overboard on that statement. Yes the Beatles have influenced pop music, but Stones had greater impact on metal and IMO metal is where the art is and admittedly, that's where my interest lays. As far as everything else, I'm holding fast. Musically speaking, Stones could spank the crap out of the Beatles.

almauro · 06-09-2007, 02:48 PM

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I know more about musicianship than you probably do, The Beatles were much better musicians than The Stones.

Clapton himself will testify that Harrison was one of the best guitarists around, he thought more highly of him then he ever did of Richards, Jones, Taylor or Wood. Also The Beatles influenced Hendrix more than The Stones did.

Taylor would have slaughtered Harrison and would have held his own against Clapton. Futhermore, I can't believe Clapton would have made those comments considering there were vastly superior guitarists everywhere. I guess he may have made those comments out of pity for stealing his wife. If you don't think Harrison was mediocre at best, consider these two things.

1.) The documentary "Let it Be" documents the trouble Paul had getting Harrison to play the guitar parts for his songs. He complained that every time he tried suggest how the part was to be played, Harrison would give him the attitude, "I'm George Harrison...you can't tell me how to play!", and would end up doing it his way.

2.) Between the recording of Let it Be and Abbey Road, Lennon began forming the Plastic Ono band featuring Clapton himself. If Harrison was so great, why would Lennon even consider forming a Supergroup with Clapton, while still a Beatle? Lennon also included Alan White, a real rock drumer. At this point, I won't even get into Ringo/Watts comparasons.

sleepy jack · 06-09-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro

Taylor would have slaughtered Harrison and would have held his own against Clapton. Futhermore, I can't believe Clapton would have made those comments considering there were vastly superior guitarists everywhere. I guess he may have made those comments out of pity for stealing his wife. If you don't think Harrison was mediocre at best, consider these two things.

1.) The documentary "Let it Be" documents the trouble Paul had getting Harrison to play the guitar parts for his songs. He complained that every time he tried suggest how the part was to be played, Harrison would give him the attitude, "I'm George Harrison...you can't tell me how to play!", and would end up doing it his way.

And was his way terrible? Most guitarists if they have to play something try and play it their way. Both your points for Harrison being mediocre are terrible and really have nothing to do with his guitar playing just him as a person.

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Originally Posted by almauro

2.) Between the recording of Let it Be and Abbey Road, Lennon began forming the Plastic Ono band featuring Clapton himself. If Harrison was so great, why would Lennon even consider forming a Supergroup with Clapton, while still a Beatle? Lennon also included Alan White, a real rock drumer. At this point, I won't even get into Ringo/Watts comparasons.

Probably because the Beatles weren't exactly all buddy buddy at that point i'd imagine.

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Originally Posted by almauro

Alright, I may have gone overboard on that statement. Yes the Beatles have influenced pop music, but Stones had greater impact on metal and IMO metal is where the art is and admittedly, that's where my interest lays. As far as everything else, I'm holding fast. Musically speaking, Stones could spank the crap out of the Beatles.

The Beatles influenced way more than pop music, and the Stones influenced way more than metal. And metal where all the the art is? Do you enjoy being full of shit? I think before you argue influence you should listen to more than Cowboys From Hell and Ride the Lightning, until than shutup.

boo boo · 06-09-2007, 06:53 PM

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Taylor would have slaughtered Harrison and would have held his own against Clapton.

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Futhermore, I can't believe Clapton would have made those comments considering there were vastly superior guitarists everywhere.

More skilled guitarists sure... But a lot of them were on a ego trip, Harrison wasn't one of these guys. Sure his playing wasn't too complex or difficult, but he had an amazing melodic ear and his playing was always tasteful and never sloppy. That being said, George was a capable player, he played a mean slide.

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I guess he may have made those comments out of pity for stealing his wife. If you don't think Harrison was mediocre at best, consider these two things.

1.) The documentary "Let it Be" documents the trouble Paul had getting Harrison to play the guitar parts for his songs. He complained that every time he tried suggest how the part was to be played, Harrison would give him the attitude, "I'm George Harrison...you can't tell me how to play!", and would end up doing it his way.

And this makes him a bad guitarist how? Because he refused to be Pauls bitch?

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2.) Between the recording of Let it Be and Abbey Road, Lennon began forming the Plastic Ono band featuring Clapton himself. If Harrison was so great, why would Lennon even consider forming a Supergroup with Clapton, while still a Beatle? Lennon also included Alan White, a real rock drumer. At this point, I won't even get into Ringo/Watts comparasons.

Why do most musicians form side projects? Because they like the idea of trying different things.

Also Harrison played slide on Lennons Imagine album. Because Lennon couldn't think of anyone better.

almauro · 06-09-2007, 07:38 PM

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The Beatles influenced way more than pop music, and the Stones influenced way more than metal. And metal where all the the art is? Do you enjoy being full of shit? I think before you argue influence you should listen to more than Cowboys From Hell and Ride the Lightning, until than shutup.

The art in metal is that it totally subverts what's accepted as normal popular music. Do I really have to explain that? By nature, it's politically incorrect, and challenges the pop culture of what's accepted. For instance, "Brown Sugar" was ballsiey then, and it's still ballsiey today. In fact, no radio station will play it. On the other hand, "Elenear Rigby" can be heard in super-markets and dentist offices because it's soothing and harmless. At any rate, I'm always willing to expand my horizon, excluding RadioHead, because I know your blowing them out, and Oasis, whom I deplore, lay some music that's directly descends from the Beatles pop culture on all of us.

almauro · 06-09-2007, 07:48 PM

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That being said, George was a capable player,

Capable is a good description for Harrison. You didn't want to go to bat for Ringo...wise.

sleepy jack · 06-09-2007, 07:49 PM

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The art in metal is that it totally subverts what's accepted as normal popular music. Do I really have to explain that? By nature, it's politically incorrect, and challenges the pop culture of what's accepted. For instance, "Brown Sugar" was ballsiey then, and it's still ballsiey today. In fact, no radio station will play it. On the other hand, "Elenear Rigby" can be heard in super-markets and dentist offices because it's soothing and harmless. At any rate, I'm always willing to expand my horizon, excluding RadioHead, because I know your blowing them out, and Oasis, whom I deplore, lay some music that's directly descends from the Beatles pop culture on all of us.

Are we talking about the same genre? Metal? Culturally unacceptable? Thats why Metallica sell so little records and so few people have Slayer shirts right and you NEVER see dudes with mullets walking around in Pantera shirts!

Its called Eleanor Rigby, and harmless? You keep going on about the song likes its something Celine Dion did, the song is extremely sad. How am I blowing radiohead out? and sure; Beulah, the Apples in Stereo, Neutral Milk Hotel, Elliott Smith, Of Montreal, Blur, Elton John, and someone more knowledgeable could probably think of plenty of others.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-09-2007, 07:49 PM

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Oasis, whom I deplore, lay some music that's directly descends from the Beatles pop culture on all of us.

Oasis covered the Stones just as much as they have the Beatles.

boo boo · 06-09-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro

The art in metal is that it totally subverts what's accepted as normal popular music.

Prog does it better.

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Do I really have to explain that? By nature, it's politically incorrect, and challenges the pop culture of what's accepted. For instance, "Brown Sugar" was ballsiey then, and it's still ballsiey today. In fact, no radio station will play it.

This explains why it's played on the radio ALL THE DAMN TIME!!

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On the other hand, "Elenear Rigby" can be heard in super-markets and dentist offices because it's soothing and harmless.

Its about an old lady who dies lonely. Not quite what I call soothing.

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At any rate, I'm always willing to expand my horizon, excluding RadioHead, because I know your blowing them out, and Oasis, whom I deplore, lay some music that's directly descends from the Beatles pop culture on all of us.

Like I said before, Progressive Rock, Power Pop, Alternative Rock, Classic Rock, Brit Pop, all owe a lot to The Beatles.

almauro · 06-09-2007, 08:09 PM

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Are we talking about the same genre? Metal? Culturally unacceptable? Thats why Metallica sell so little records and so few people have Slayer shirts right and you NEVER see dudes with mullets walking around in Pantera shirts!

Its called Eleanor Rigby, and harmless? You keep going on about the song likes its something Celine Dion did, the song is extremely sad. How am I blowing radiohead out? and sure; Beulah, the Apples in Stereo, Neutral Milk Hotel, Elliott Smith, Of Montreal, Blur, Elton John, and someone more knowledgeable could probably think of plenty of others.

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When was the last time you heard metal as MUZAK? What can I say about Metallica? They're savy businessmen. I don't know what world you live in, but I never see people in Slayer/Pantera gear. Rap culture dominates where I'm at. Interesting list. EJ I'll pass on.

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