graveyardgirl

well, she did say his lyrics were wannabe bob dylan, not his voice. i can't really see the comparison either way, but perhaps that's because i haven't listened to much dylan (which is a shame for someone on a music forum, i know). i thought his lyrics were mostly political and social commentary, though? idk.

jims lyrics aren't the best, though, i'll admit. (you men eat your dinner, eat your pork and beans, i eat more chicken than a man ever seen, etc etc) but there's a few scattered gems in there too.

and as for his voice... ehhh. i've heard worse?

blastingas10

The doors didn't write back door man. But I believe Jim did change the lyrics a little. Those lyrics aren't suppose to be good, I'd say they fit the song pretty well. I think Jim had a great voice, like a wild, drunk crooner. A very powerful voice.

graveyardgirl

you're right, they didn't write it. it's an old blues song. but, as far as i can tell anyways, the only part of the original lyrics intact in their version is the chorus. so yes, morrison did change them around a little bit.

i don't think those particular lyrics are "supposed to be" anything. they don't really have much to do with the rest of the song...

that being said... again, i do like morrison's lyrics. but not all of them are fantastic.
and i agree with you about his voice.

blastingas10

I know what you mean. As much as I like The Doors, I think Jim is a little over-hyped as a lyricist. When I saw Ray Manzerak and Robby Krieger, someone said to me, "These guys were on the same stage as Jim." I said "Well Jim was on the same stage as these guys." Jim is such an icon and he's so famous, I think he unjustly takes credit away from the band. Ray, Robby and John were every bit as important to the band as Jim, probably even more important. Robby wrote some great songs himself.

Psy-Fi

[QUOTE=blastingas10;1121461]Hell ya, man. I just saw them the other night. They sound better than great. Dave Brock, that's his name. I was wondering what it was. That rhythm section was great. Did Rays brother come out and play the guitar when you saw them?


Yes, Ray's brother Rick came onstage and played with them on 'Back Door Man'
It was probably the most thoroughly enjoyable show I've seen recently.
Dave Brock really has those vocals nailed down. (Probably better than any of the other vocalists they've toured with in the past.)
Hopefully, John Densmore will change his mind and tour with them in the near future, before it's too late.

blastingas10

[QUOTE=Psy-Fi;1123592]Dave Brock is great, without a doubt better than anyone they have toured with. Same here, one of the best shows I've seen in a while, and I've seen a lot this year.

TockTockTock

Eh, you also have to acknowledge the fact that the other members of the band contributed more towards the writing of the actual music than Jim Morrison (who didn't know how to read music let alone play an instrument). Sure, Morrison wrote the majority of the lyrics and came up with the primary melodies, but if it wasn't for the other band members then The Doors wouldn't sound at all like they did. I mean... you wouldn't have Manzarek's unique and sometimes improvisational keyboard playing, Densmore's jazz influence, nor Krieger's eclectic guitar work.

Actually, every member of the band was important because they all had something unique to contribute to the music... Including Morrison and his Sinatra-esque crooning and dark, poetic lyrics. They all complimented each other and made the band what it was...

Nobody sounded like they did at the time, and they were rather avant-garde...in their own little way.

cledussnow

Interesting. What is your opinion of "Other Voices" and "Full Circle" the two Doors releases without Morrison?

TockTockTock

I haven't listened to either. Why do you ask?

cledussnow

You just seemed like one of the few Doors fans I've run across that wasn't totally smitten with Jim.

I enjoy a lot of the Doors music, but never cared much for Morrison himself. He was a good fit, I agree, but I could do without him, and it'd be nice to hear another's take on those two albums. Most people never listened to them, I thought maybe you would have...