KISS- why not retire??

Scopitone · 09-18-2013, 12:58 PM

I figure, as long as people are paying to see them tour and buying their records, then why should they retire? I saw KISS in 1996 and 2000, and they were terrific. I wouldn't see them now, but I still listen to their music regularly and am happy it's available. Even Psycho Circus and forward have had good tunes.

Dr_Rez · 09-18-2013, 03:34 PM

This is truly a 5 star thread. I will save to hard drive, print out then share with my grandkids.

~~Soulflower~~ · 10-13-2013, 11:18 AM

They are one of the most overrated acts of all time. They are not even a real "rock band". They are a gimmick rock band. I cant stand Gene Simmons...

Unknown Soldier · 10-13-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

They are one of the most overrated acts of all time. They are not even a real "rock band". They are a gimmick rock band. I cant stand Gene Simmons...

That sums it up really, you've let personal dislike of an individual blind you to just how relevant the band were back in the 1970s and 1980s.

Also I'd be interested to know why they're not a real rock band?

Paul Smeenus · 10-13-2013, 11:40 AM

I have always thought they were a *little* overrated, but I also think that some of their music is pretty good, mainly the first, Dressed To Kill, Hotter Than Hell, the live album, and a few tracks from Destroyer (mainly Detroit Rock City, Beth makes me wanna grab a double bladed ax and head to the orphanage). They also released 1 good album jn the late 90's, I forgot the name of it but it's the album that has Unholy on it.

Thd rest of their catalog runs from the boring to the comedicly terrible IMO.

Unknown Soldier · 10-13-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

I have always thought they were a *little* overrated, but I also think that some of their music is pretty good, mainly the first, Dressed To Kill, Hotter Than Hell, the live album, abd a few tracks from Destroyer (mainly Detroit Rock City, Beth makes me wanna grab a double bladed ax and head to the orphanage). They also released 1 good album jn the late 90's, I forgot the name of it but it's the album that has Unholy on it.

Thd rest of their catalog runs from the boring to the comedicly terrible IMO.

I've recently re-listened to most of their 70s catalogue and most of it actually still sounds great, with the 'jewel in the rough' being the Ace Frehley solo, what a great album that is.

Paul Smeenus · 10-13-2013, 12:07 PM

Actually the album I was talking about was 1992's Revenge.

~~Soulflower~~ · 10-13-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

That sums it up really, you've let personal dislike of an individual blind you to just how relevant the band were back in the 1970s and 1980s.

Also I'd be interested to know why they're not a real rock band?

No I was being objective with that post.

Gene Simmons talks alot bs about other artists that isnt true. He personally attacks other artists and I dont think thats cool. Its classless and tacky but that has nothing to do with why I think the band is overrated.

For instance, Prince is a ******* towards his fans but I will always LOVE him because he is a great musician and he makes good music. So I know how to seperate the two as well as add the two.

Kiss on the other hand were average musicians who were brands. They were popular during the late 70s, early 80s because of their brand but if you really objectively critique their music and their musicianship it is really average and not that impressive. If you like them thats fine but I personally am not impressed with them.

Unknown Soldier · 10-14-2013, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

No I was being objective with that post.

Gene Simmons talks alot bs about other artists that isnt true. He personally attacks other artists and I dont think thats cool. Its classless and tacky but that has nothing to do with why I think the band is overrated.

For instance, Prince is a ******* towards his fans but I will always LOVE him because he is a great musician and he makes good music. So I know how to seperate the two as well as add the two.

Kiss on the other hand were average musicians who were brands. They were popular during the late 70s, early 80s because of their brand but if you really objectively critique their music and their musicianship it is really average and not that impressive. If you like them thats fine but I personally am not impressed with them.

Fair enough, but before Kiss became a brand as you call them, they had already recorded three studio albums that had had no commercial success but their image and style were already in place from their first album. So they were highly original from the word go and played a sound somewhat similar to the New York Dolls. They only made their breakthrough on their fourth album the live Alive. Point here being, that before their commercial breakthrough and heavy marketing, they were already making a potent style of hard rock, that had little to do with them being commercial or not, and by and large they would've made the same music and had the same image whether they were successful or not. The only concession the band made to this for the sake of being commercial was the Destroyer album, which is why Bob Ezrin was brought in and the ill-advised pop/disco inspired Dynasty (even though I haven't heard it in years and could change my opinion of it)

I don't see what poor musicians has to do with much either, I mean loads of good bands weren't that great as musicians either. BTW Ace Frehley is usually ranked as one of the greatest hard rock/metal guitarists ever, so we have a conundrum here. Also I'd rank Paul Stanley as one of the best and most consistent songwriters of his generation.

neardeathexperience · 12-18-2013, 08:49 PM

KISS can now officially retire! They are heading into the "Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame ".....

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