KISS- why not retire??

SGR · 06-08-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

still paying to much... well, you know considering Soulseek is free.

Well, some of us like physical copies.

jackhammer · 06-08-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

they're already old. any band that has old members should quite/retire.
i believe 30-40 year old is the maximum age for a musician to pursue a band. otherwise, they need to retire.

Iron Maiden are all in their 50's and are still one of the best live bands out there. Motorhead's Lemmy is another example of age being immaterial and let's not forget bands like Metallica and Slayer are well into their 40's and still kicking arse.

BB King also says otherwise and he is in his 80's and someone I would love to see live.

**Janszoon** · 06-08-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

This statement could have been made in 1981 & still been true

Hey Urbs from five years ago, I just wanted to quickly jump in and say the statement would also be true in 1973.

Howard the Duck · 06-08-2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

I do not know. I have not listened to any priest post-"Painkiller" to know if they ever "returned to form".

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Their best release since "Painkiller" is "Angel of Retribution" and its a great album.

i think "Nostradamus" is pretty good as well, though not many people seem to share my opinion

SGR · 06-09-2011, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i think "Nostradamus" is pretty good as well, though not many people seem to share my opinion

Was their stuff with Ripper Owens any good?

Howard the Duck · 06-09-2011, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Was their stuff with Ripper Owens any good?

avoid those

obviously the other guys wanna try something new, which is fine

then why have a new singer who possesses all the same vocal inflexions of Rob?

the two Ripper Owens albums sound pretty whacko to me, sort of a halfway-there Judas Priest

Unknown Soldier · 06-09-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i think "Nostradamus" is pretty good as well, though not many people seem to share my opinion

Symphonic hogwash and far too long as well, should be avoided like the plague.

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Was their stuff with Ripper Owens any good?

Not really, both albums were a departure from the typical Priest sound and on "Demolition" they tried to experiment a bit with Nu-Metal to very bad effect. Even the name Ripper Owens is corny enough to put anybody off listening to these albums.

Howard the Duck · 06-09-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Symphonic hogwash and far too long as well, should be avoided like the plague.

i love it - it sounds like Iron Maiden does Andrew Lloyd Webber - both of which I love

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 06-09-2011, 01:09 PM

Kiss should have retired before they started.

BastardofYoung · 06-09-2011, 01:56 PM

I agree and disagree. On one hand KISS did have some good songs in their early days, but my problem is, that simply they always put the stage show over the actual music they created and that reduced them to no more than a bunch of clowns.

I have nothing against shock rock, and theatrical music, be it KISS, Alice Cooper, Mentors or Marilyn Manson. But when you rely more on a stage show, it is not a signal that they have actual artistic merit behind it. Many times they use a stage show to distract people from realising the music is sub par shlock rock... Rob Zombie and Rammstein are examples of this, take away the fire and big stage show and glitz of it all, and you are left with little substance in the actual music, it is reduced to be a gimmick to sell the music to people who will buy anything based on what they see more than what they hear, and KISS embodies this as well. They were always stage first, music second, always have been always will be, not to mention on top of it they are about the money. You ca pretty much see Gene Simmons eyes turn into dollar signs, he will hawk any product you give him, Pepsi, Shoes anything.

KISS is a marketing band now, they are an image, but they never went past mediocrity in their music. Some of that stuff may be fun to listen to when first getting into the world of rock, but after the novelty of them wears off it becomes boring and one dimensional. The never evolved musically, remained about the image and money.. sold out before they even began.

Not only that, the amount of awful watered down cliche glam metal that spawned from them is reason enough to hate them. Poison, Warrent and all that garbage owe so much to KISS. Glam metal is a disgrace, always will be. Luckily apart from ocassional nostalgia overload from people it is laregely forgotten, and can only continue to be forgotten more and more... thankfully.

Gene Simmons is more about the sex, thinking he is a hot shot for sleeping with over 5000 woman or whatever, and thinks that is his feat... essentially that is all KISS every went into music for. They were always never anything special, but at that time.. didn't matter... you could walk into your high school with a guitar, not even knowing to play it and you would have girls flocking around you and wantting to get with you because of the image of having a guitar... hence KISS and what they did.

Do I think they KISS had a few good songs, yeah... but good is about all, never great. For everyone one good song, they had 20 equally awful ones on top of it.

06-09-2011, 01:56 PM	#390 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	I agree and disagree. On one hand KISS did have some good songs in their early days, but my problem is, that simply they always put the stage show over the actual music they created and that reduced them to no more than a bunch of clowns. I have nothing against shock rock, and theatrical music, be it KISS, Alice Cooper, Mentors or Marilyn Manson. But when you rely more on a stage show, it is not a signal that they have actual artistic merit behind it. Many times they use a stage show to distract people from realising the music is sub par shlock rock... Rob Zombie and Rammstein are examples of this, take away the fire and big stage show and glitz of it all, and you are left with little substance in the actual music, it is reduced to be a gimmick to sell the music to people who will buy anything based on what they see more than what they hear, and KISS embodies this as well. They were always stage first, music second, always have been always will be, not to mention on top of it they are about the money. You ca pretty much see Gene Simmons eyes turn into dollar signs, he will hawk any product you give him, Pepsi, Shoes anything. KISS is a marketing band now, they are an image, but they never went past mediocrity in their music. Some of that stuff may be fun to listen to when first getting into the world of rock, but after the novelty of them wears off it becomes boring and one dimensional. The never evolved musically, remained about the image and money.. sold out before they even began. Not only that, the amount of awful watered down cliche glam metal that spawned from them is reason enough to hate them. Poison, Warrent and all that garbage owe so much to KISS. Glam metal is a disgrace, always will be. Luckily apart from ocassional nostalgia overload from people it is laregely forgotten, and can only continue to be forgotten more and more... thankfully. Gene Simmons is more about the sex, thinking he is a hot shot for sleeping with over 5000 woman or whatever, and thinks that is his feat... essentially that is all KISS every went into music for. They were always never anything special, but at that time.. didn't matter... you could walk into your high school with a guitar, not even knowing to play it and you would have girls flocking around you and wantting to get with you because of the image of having a guitar... hence KISS and what they did. Do I think they KISS had a few good songs, yeah... but good is about all, never great. For everyone one good song, they had 20 equally awful ones on top of it. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.