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ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by boo boo
They did that to alienate homophobes, whom Cobain didnt want to consider to be part of his fanbase.
Ya, I forgot that you were inside Kurt's head and know everything he thought to himself. :laughing:

Laces Out Dan! 04-08-2006 07:27 PM
Kiss influenced counrty, rock, and metal! :eek:

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:28 PM
yup.
Garth Brooks first show - KISS. look at his stage show. very KISS like.
Metal band Pantera loved KISS. Chuck from Death's first show was KISS.
and almost every rock band under the sun has been to a KISS show.

mosesandtherubberducky 04-08-2006 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
KISS influence spans rock, country and metal.

As did Robert Johnson and Son House and Pink Floyd and nearly any other band. There is nothing special about KISS that is good. Get over it.

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
yup.
Garth Brooks first show - KISS. look at his stage show. very KISS like.
Metal band Pantera loved KISS. Chuck from Death's first show was KISS.
and almost every rock band under the sun has been to a KISS show.
If you're going to say they influenced an entire genre, you should at least give a couple of examples for each genre. I mean just because a band loved that band, doesn't mean they were influenced by it, nor does seeing one of their shows mean they were influenced by it.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:30 PM
It sounds like you guys need to get over it.

mosesandtherubberducky 04-08-2006 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
It sounds like you guys need to get over it.

It is our job to hate KISS it seems that you are preaching to the wrong congragation holms. We ain't no make-up wearin' hippie lovers.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:45 PM
KISS is only one band of many I enjoy.

acknowledging the fact they were one of the most influential bands of the 70s is just being real about the band. It's true, they were one of the most influential bands of the 70s. They outsold all their competition and had the best bands on the scene OPENING THEIR SHOWS.

denying this fact simply because you think they suck, is well, just talking with your head up your ass.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:47 PM
The acts that opened for them, were hundreds of times better. Just because a certain band opens for another band, doesn't mean much. Groups pretty much take any gig they can get, you don't have to be influenced by KISS, to open for them.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
The acts that opened for them, were hundreds of times better.
nope.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:48 PM
yes.

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
KISS is only one band of many I enjoy.

acknowledging the fact they were one of the most influential bands of the 70s is just being real about the band. It's true, they were one of the most influential bands of the 70s. They outsold all their competition and had the best bands on the scene OPENING THEIR SHOWS.

denying this fact simply because you think they suck, is well, just talking with your head up your ass.
I don't think anyone was denying they had the best bands opening up for them (read bungalows post on that) but yes they still opened for them, and yes they had influence, but you were saying next to zeppelin the most influencial band of the 70s? nah.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill
I don't think anyone was denying they had the best bands opening up for them (read bungalows post on that) but yes they still opened for them, and yes they had influence, but you were saying next to zeppelin the most influencial band of the 70s? nah.
in your opinion.

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
in your opinion.
We proved our opinion, you didn't.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill
We proved our opinion, you didn't.

wrong. But it's encouraging to see that you suffer from the herd mentality.
'we proved'??

um, ya, okay.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
in your opinion.
Dude, shut up with that sh*t. Everything you said is your opinion too.
You seriously need to get kicked in the face.

mosesandtherubberducky 04-08-2006 07:51 PM
hitler


now this thread needs to be closed

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
Dude, shut up with that sh*t. Everything you said is your opinion too. You seriously need to get kicked in the face.
wrong again.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:54 PM
This kid is like a KISS version of Don.

Mama Booze 04-08-2006 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
I think KISS should retire. The phony Peter and Ace take lame to a higher new level. And Gene $immons doesn't even like rock music, he likes money.
As long as they are still making a wee bit of money, they won't retire.

Plus I mean really...would you if you were still making some money?

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-08-2006 07:55 PM
Yeah i was just thinking

Oh great another one band wonder in the mould of Draven , Kashmir & Don

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
wrong again.
Oh, so saying they are the most influential isn't opinion? How do you measure influece? How can you be sure that all the bands you say were influenced by KISS, actually were? Can you find a website that lists all these bands influences? And quit it with the 1-2 word replies, they don't make you look smart.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:56 PM
I'm not saying KISS is the greatest band of all time.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:57 PM
Who said you said that? No one. Quit avoiding the questions.

tdoc210 04-08-2006 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
Im not saying KISS is the greatest band.

One can be a crappy band and be extremely influential - look at NIRVANA.

I'm talking influence, and your talking something else.
ahh yes lets bring in aband that didnt dress up like fu,cktards just to get an audience to come and listen to their shi,tty arse music....ehhh moron yah and u are saying that kiss is the greatest...now please shoot yourself now for ever saying that kiss was better than jethro tull..heck ill give you the money to buy the gun and the ammo, but i aint cleaning up the mess...

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
Oh, so saying they are the most influential isn't opinion? How do you measure influece? How can you be sure that all the bands you say were influenced by KISS, actually were? Can you find a website that lists all these bands influences? And quit it with the 1-2 word replies, they don't make you look smart.
yes I can. read some books. They're those things with pages in them.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:59 PM
Show me then dip****. Just because you say you read it in a book doesn't mean a damn thing. Let It Be by the Beatles was released in 1970, and that album inspired more musicans that KISS's sh*t albums combined. Oh, let me guess 'wrong.'

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
Show me then dip****. Just because you say you read it in a book doesn't mean a damn thing. Let It Be by the Beatles was released in 1970, and that album inspired more musicans that KISS's sh*t albums combined. Oh, let me guess 'wrong.'

In your opinion.






I just thought i'd save him the effort.

boo boo 04-08-2006 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mosesandtherubberducky
hitler


now this thread needs to be closed
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...ing_hitler.gif

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
Show me then dip****. Just because you say you read it in a book doesn't mean a damn thing. Let It Be by the Beatles was released in 1970, and that album inspired more musicans that KISS's sh*t albums combined. Oh, let me guess 'wrong.'
hmm.....y'know you're losing grip on a debate when you have to compare a band to the Beatles :laughing:

not to mention the personal attacks. :laughing:

bungalow 04-08-2006 08:02 PM
Hm, the Beatles put out material in the 70's. Therefore you could say that they were THE MOST influential band of the 70's. Next to Zeppelin right? Where does that leave KISS?

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 08:03 PM
wrong.


The Beatles broke up in 1970 and played no concerts together the entire decade.

Books dude - those things with pages in them.

bungalow 04-08-2006 08:04 PM
Wrong? You want to argue that Let It Be wasn't realesed in 1970? That would completely invalidate everything you have said up to this point.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
Wrong? You want to argue that Let It Be wasn't realesed in 1970? That would completely invalidate everything you have said up to this point.
The Beatles were not a touring rock band at any point during the 1970s.
In fact, there last live performance was in the 60s

And Let It Be is hardly their most influential album.

bungalow 04-08-2006 08:05 PM
What does that have to do with anything? They still put out an album, and that album was miles better than anything KISS put out.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
What does that have to do with anything? They still put out an album, and that album was miles better than anything KISS put out.
in your opinion.

DearJenny 04-08-2006 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowquill
1. Kraftwerk (even though I have no clue how it is)
2. David Bowie
3. Talking Heads
4. Television
5. Frank Zappa
6 Grateful Dead
7. The Eagles
8. Aerosmith
9. New York Dolls
10. Lou Reed,
11. Boston
12. Tom Petty
13. ZZ Top
14. Marvin Gaye.
15. Pink Floyd
16.The Ramones
17. Queen
18. The Clash
19. The Sex Pistols
20. Buzzcockss
21. The Cure
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Originally Posted by boo boo
22. Led Zeppelin
23. The Who
24. Parliament/Funkadelic
25. Black Sabbath
26. Yes
27. King Crimson
28. The Doors
29. Fleetwood Mac
30. Jethro Tull
31. Velvet Underground
32. Big Star
33. The Stooges
34. Mott The Hoople
35. Lynyrd Skynyrd
36. T. Rex
37. Gentle Giant
38. Van Der Graaf Generator
39. Genesis
40. ELP
41. Steve Wonder
42. Elton John
43. The Damned
44. Blondie
45. Todd Rundgren
46. Gram Parsons
47. Allman Brothers Band
48. Mahavishnu Orchestra
49. Judas Priest
50. Deep Purple
51. Uriah Heep
52. The Moody Blues
53. John Lennon
54. Hawkwind
55. AC/DC
56. Rush
57. Van Halen
58. Thin Lizzy
59. Blue Oyster Cult
60. Heart
61. Richard Hell & The Voidoids
62. The Police
63. Elvis Costello
64. Sly And & The Family Stone
65. Tangerine Dream
66. Camel
67. Gong
68. The Band
69. Jeff Beck
70. Kate Bush
71. Roxy Music
72. Brian Eno
73. Bruce Springsteen
74. Captain Beefheart
75. Electric Light Orchestra
76. Meat Loaf
77. Creedence Clearwater Rivival
78. Bob Dylan
79. Bob Marley
80. Can
81. Chicago
82. Patti Smith
83. War
84. Modern Lovers
85. Cheap Trick
86. The Residents
87. Santana
88. Frank Zappa
89. Tom Waits
90. Neil Young
91. Magma
92. Al Green
93. Free
94. The Meters
95. Shouxie & The Banshees
96. James Taylor
97. Alice Cooper
98. Eric Clapton
99. Gang Of Four
100. Steely Dan
Oh, point and burn! Should have ended right here ^.Get the **** over yourself. You dont know **** about ****. How many GOOD bands do you know that list influences as KISS? Normally its something talented, like Rush, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, the Who, The Cure, Sabbath, Yes, all mentioned above. And if a band lists their influence as KISS, they'll sound just like KISS, and that is crap. I'm tired of the bickering bull****.

bungalow 04-08-2006 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
in your opinion.
wrong. In the worlds opinion.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PipersLabyrinthX
Oh, point and burn! Get the **** over yourself. You dont know **** about ****.
can somebody please direct me to The Ebonics Handbook so I can translate this sterling example of idiocy??

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
wrong. In the worlds opinion.
nope.


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