Limp Bizkit

~~Jansen Simmons~~ · 12-01-2009, 07:42 PM

I love the rhythm and energy of this band, but i really hate the vocals, if you know what I mean. But I have to admit, the song "Behind blue eyes" is not bad. They are one of the weirdest bands of all time!

Violent & Funky · 12-01-2009, 08:14 PM

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also if people want to split hairs between nu-metal and rap-metal. rap-metal still started in 1987, 4 years before RATM.

technically Aerosmith and Run DMC doing 'Walk this Way' predates this single by a couple of months but that hardly counts considering it's basically just a mash up of two distinct songs taking turns for the listeners attention and not at all metal.

The aforementioned Suicidal Tendencies and Faith No More had toyed with rap metal by that time too...

BTown · 12-01-2009, 08:16 PM

^ Let's not forget Cypress Hill.

Violent & Funky · 12-01-2009, 08:19 PM

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I always thought of Limp Bizkit as being one of the most Nu-Metal bands around, as their rapping influence was a dominant feature on most of their albums. Whereas, in some of the other groups like Korn this sound was far less obvious.

In my mind the three defining characteristics of nu-metal are 1) angry/aggressive lyrics, 2) hip-hop influences, and 3) breakdowns. KoRn certainly had all three, and did it early on just about better than anybody IMO...

mr dave · 12-02-2009, 01:25 AM

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In my mind the three defining characteristics of nu-metal are 1) whiney/aggressive lyrics, 2) hip-hop influences, and 3) breakdowns. KoRn certainly had all three, and did it early on just about better than anybody IMO...

fixed that for ya

my bad on the ST / FNM thing though, forgot how early those bands had been around. either way that Anthrax single is what solidified the concept in the mainstream.

Unknown Soldier · 12-02-2009, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

In my mind the three defining characteristics of nu-metal are 1) angry/aggressive lyrics, 2) hip-hop influences, and 3) breakdowns. KoRn certainly had all three, and did it early on just about better than anybody IMO...

I agree with all you`ve written, also add add in the style of singing as well, one minute it can be emotionally subdued then the next it sounds psycopathically deranged (violent, agressive and breaking down unto deranged whimpering etc) Great examples are certainly Jonathan Davis, Corey Taylor and to a lesser extent in these differences Chino Moreno.

Korn are the definitive and best Nu-Metal band around but Limp Bizkit went in heavily on the rap side of things, along with a lot of track sampling and sold a bucket load of records with a very rappy sounding Nu-Metal. They certainly set the stage for the second wave of Nu-Metal bands who seemed to sound more like Limp Bizkit than Korn.

Slipknot also described by many as one of the essential NU-Metal bands, have a lot of thrash influences especially in the drumming department.

Korn may well have defined the genre, but these other groups helped diversify it. For better or for worse depending on your tastes.

Unknown Soldier · 12-02-2009, 03:53 AM

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The aforementioned Suicidal Tendencies and Faith No More had toyed with rap metal by that time too...

Anthrax were often regarded as part of the big 4 in thrash, but were certainly an odd group. I don`t think they had too much in common with Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus and Co. Especially with their casual look and their love of singing about comic book characters (Judge Dredd comes quickly to mind) A better label for them would probably be crossover thrash (Suicidal Tendencies) for their love of rap music. I think anybody that`s not too familiar with metal in general, were to sit down and listen to Anthrax, they would certainly think of them closer to the Nu-Metal movement than the thrash one. Also their lead singer of the time Joey Belladonna didn`t exactly sound menacing, evil or manic like his thrash contempories either.

mr dave · 12-02-2009, 03:58 AM

Anthrax just wanted to have fun

Unknown Soldier · 12-02-2009, 04:21 AM

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Anthrax just wanted to have fun

They certainly did that and sold a lot of records in the process.

I always thought Joey had a great voice, despite not being suited to the group. Actually preferred John Bush despite the fact that when he joined, the group had started to sound grungier.

mr dave · 12-02-2009, 04:35 PM

i can't say i honestly remember hearing much of any of the post-Belladonna material. probably heard some tracks in passing but never recognized it.

i also remember there being a big deal about the departure of their lead guitarist back in the day as well. seemed like half the band wanted to move along with the current underground angle while a few wanted to stick to what worked in the 80s.

apparently Joey B is still touring solo and will do a near full set of old-school Anthrax material for the fans too.

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~~Jansen Simmons~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3	I love the rhythm and energy of this band, but i really hate the vocals, if you know what I mean. But I have to admit, the song "Behind blue eyes" is not bad. They are one of the weirdest bands of all time!