The Official Smashing Pumpkins/Billy Corgan Thread (jazz, favorite song, great song)

[Dr. Yellow Black]

Originally Posted by RezZ

Yea its pretty good. Id have to say though Life Begins Again, Loki Cat, and Love is Real all standout.

They havnt released anything else have they? Because I was looking around and this was all I could find.

Yeah, that's it for now. Jimmy probably put it aside since the Pumpkins are back.

[Dr_Rez]

Originally Posted by Dr. Yellow Black

Yeah, that's it for now. Jimmy probably put it aside since the Pumpkins are back.

Id rather have another JCC album than Pumpkins album.

[Dr. Yellow Black]

Originally Posted by RezZ

Id rather have another JCC album than Pumpkins album.

Yeah, I think they should just tour for now.

[Rainard Jalen]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I'm not following him around.

You need to look up the definition of trolling, it's not trolling to take offense from what someone is saying and point it out.

No, YOU need to look up the definition of trolling. Trolling is and always HAS been the act of making controversial and provocative posts merely with the intent and for the sake of provoking angry responses, flaming, and disturbance. That is NOT what I do. Hell, it's not even that many bands that I go in to say how crap or mediocre I think they are. It's probably numbers less than ten, in all the 2 and a half or so years that I've been on these boards. Hell, I could probably count the whole lot right now on two hands. And when I do go in, it's not to make a stupid trolly post like "lozzzles their rubbish lollzzz", it's to at least ATTEMPT at producing an informed opinion. And it's never for the sake of just stirring. I'm trying to put forth my view on a topic, and to hopefully discuss it with RATIONAL people who don't suddenly turn defensive and, as is often the case, offensive.

He's constantly showing up on threads specifically for a certain band, saying that band is crap, and stirring up crap with the fans.

See above. Aside from that, the only person I generally see even reacting angrily to my criticisms is you.

It dosen't help that he posts in a very self important and provoking fashion. I consider that trolling.

Cripes. YOU of all people talking about self-importance. As as for posting in the fashion of provocation, I found your Prince posts some of the most unfair provocative stuff I've ever read on these boards and yet I never jumped to anger and insults.

And aside from all that, you insist on trying to misunderstand the things I write. Like the other day, for example. I was trying to present Muse in what I considered a more positive light than another poster. You immediately assumed I was criticizing and attacking them. I intended the complete opposite and hadn't said a single negative word. I was actually attempting to criticize Radiohead, not Muse. Hell, there's an example of how I'm not some stupid troll - I'll even defend a band I hate. Whenever anybody has claimed that Muse are not prog because they're a crappy pop rock band or whatever, I always jump to their defence.

[MSPaintClock]

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

No, YOU need to look up the definition of trolling. Trolling is and always HAS been the act of making controversial and provocative posts merely with the intent and for the sake of provoking angry responses, flaming, and disturbance. That is NOT what I do. Hell, it's not even that many bands that I go in to say how crap or mediocre I think they are. It's probably numbers less than ten, in all the 2 and a half or so years that I've been on these boards. Hell, I could probably count the whole lot right now on two hands. And when I do go in, it's not to make a stupid trolly post like "lozzzles their rubbish lollzzz", it's to at least ATTEMPT at producing an informed opinion. And it's never for the sake of just stirring. I'm trying to put forth my view on a topic, and to hopefully discuss it with RATIONAL people who don't suddenly turn defensive and, as is often the case, offensive.

See above. Aside from that, the only person I generally see even reacting angrily to my criticisms is you.

Cripes. YOU of all people talking about self-importance. As as for posting in the fashion of provocation, I found your Prince posts some of the most unfair provocative stuff I've ever read on these boards and yet I never jumped to anger and insults.

And aside from all that, you insist on trying to misunderstand the things I write. Like the other day, for example. I was trying to present Muse in what I considered a more positive light than another poster. You immediately assumed I was criticizing and attacking them. I intended the complete opposite and hadn't said a single negative word. I was actually attempting to criticize Radiohead, not Muse. Hell, there's an example of how I'm not some stupid troll - I'll even defend a band I hate. Whenever anybody has claimed that Muse are not prog because they're a crappy pop rock band or whatever, I always jump to their defence.

You're still a ****ing annoying idiot who needs to be quiet though. <3

Also: SP fans go here. http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...catherine.html

[scottsy]

Getting back on topic... really enjoying listening to Zeitgeist tonight.... this album just clicks more and more with me every time I hear it...


Especially the tracks towards the end of it. I am seeing howe this all fits more into a Smashing Pumpkins legacy, how it kinda distills their old sounds and kinda turns it into something new... and how could it not be new - Corgan is older, has more issues sorted out and focusses on different things, regardless of what any other reveiwer I have read says...


But the wicked guitar work is still there, plus the choppy, jazz influenced drumming, that wonderfully nasal voice, the mix of heavy riffs and mellow reflection... ahhhh, this is how I love my Pumpkins...

[The Unfan]

So which of the billion versions of the album have you been listening to?

[Dr. Yellow Black]

Originally Posted by scottsy

Getting back on topic... really enjoying listening to Zeitgeist tonight.... this album just clicks more and more with me every time I hear it...


Especially the tracks towards the end of it. I am seeing howe this all fits more into a Smashing Pumpkins legacy, how it kinda distills their old sounds and kinda turns it into something new... and how could it not be new - Corgan is older, has more issues sorted out and focusses on different things, regardless of what any other reveiwer I have read says...


But the wicked guitar work is still there, plus the choppy, jazz influenced drumming, that wonderfully nasal voice, the mix of heavy riffs and mellow
reflection... ahhhh, this is how I love my Pumpkins...

I agree completely. Although I loved the album from the start. I'd say my favorite song on it is Neverlost. The drums are so simple but tricky it's cool to listen to.

[scottsy]

Neverlost is great - and proof positive that Mr. Corgan has lost none of his songwriting prowess!

And with regards to there being several different versions of the album with bonus tracks sold in different stores... who honestly cares - I half think Corgan anticipates the various bonus tracks to be shared and downloaded by completists anyways - either that or it was a record company thing out of his control... or even if it was his idea... so what? Everyone's gotta pay the bills...lol...


But don't forget this is the same guy who once allowed an entire album of his material to be downloaded free online... so he's paid his dues enough already as far as serving fans free stuff...

[Tempting-Fate]

Favourite songs; Daydream (such a great song - D'arcy sings it and it has really nice cello pieces in it). Jellybelly and Muzzle off Mellon Collie and the Infinate Sadness- I don't know why but I have always loved those songs =). Hummer is also a great song...