Wow they are really sliding down and down. I miss the old band :(

Someone obviously dosen't understand the meaning of the word "reunion"

Yeah the old lineup will never work. Corgan is genius but can't seem to keep a band together. It's very sad really.

I am referring to the "singles band" aspect. The pumpkins are anything but that.

Just so long as we don't get TheFutureEmbrace part II I don't really mind who is in / out of the band... I mean it was all pretty much Corgan's stuff anyways...

... But I will most definitely miss Chamberlins choppy, edgy style...

Lets hope the new Smashing Pumpkins doesn't suffer too badly musically speaking...

Yeah, your opinion is seconded. Jimmy Chamberlin has always been a fav. drummer of mine. Billy Coragn is going to do what he always does, no matter who is in the band. Thats what has been their poison they last few outings. Noone has creative input over Corgan. As a fellow musician, I understand why most people would be frustrated by this, I mean if you have an idea he likes, he may use it. But he will get the credit, thats just how it is. Unfortunately, I don't think Corgan will ever get it and humble himself. I mean realise that he hasn't made a good piece of music since the first breakup. Coincidence? I think not.

There were a few really good tracks off the new one. I loved Doomsday Clock and Tarantula. Not to mention United States and Starz.

Yes I do own Zeitgeist, as well as TheFutureEmbrace I was more refering to the albums as a whole, rather than induvidual songs from them.

I absolutely LOVED Zeitgeist... TheFutureEmbrace was something I liked a fair bit to start with, but in the end it was more like I tolerated more so than loved it to bits...

I thought Zeitgeist was garbage maybe excluding Tarantula.

It had enough of the things I love about the Pumpkins to get my vote... it was no Siamese Dream, but its not the early nineties now I guess... I loved hearing one ofmy favorite banda comng back,though!

TheFutureEmbrace... well, I barely listen to that album these days... and frankly even when I do I find it quite unlistenable and/or boring...

I WAS hoping the next album would be one of their killer albums like Mellon Collie and Siamese Dream... thats even if Corgan decides to make an album...he seems hell bent on singles... and what will it all sound like without Chamberlin on drums... so many questions...

According to digg.com....

Nice one. 44 tracks is a lot though, but even if they're not all great i'm sure there will be some cracking songs in them :D

Well now that sounds most interesting indeed! I am looking forward to collecting these tracks... all, uh, 44 of them... sounds like it could be an intense listen! But I always loved the more long winded Pumpkins.... hehehehe

They're releasing it in the form of 11 4 track EPs apparently. They're being released physically as well if you want cd sound quality, which will obviously cost money. According to Billy their sound is gonna be old school Pumpkins meets the future.

Here's the full article on their website:

I still don't understand what on earth the album title 'Teargarden by Kaleidyscope' is supposed to mean

Oh it's just Billy doing his best mysterious titling as always... I'm really freaking excited about this album! Bring it on!

Disarm is one of the greatest songs ever!

Yes it is, most definitely... a wonderful melody with some really timelessly aching lyrics.... still sounds great today!

This is like the 40th time I have run across one of your posts that I agree with 100% - tone and all. Weird.
Anyway, yeah, Billy Corgan is a supreme pissant and almost all of his music is unlistenable. Yet the early Smashing Pumpkins albums are special to me. Whatever bullshit he has made since then is just that - but I forgive him (and forever love the guy) because of Gish and Siamese Dream.

Silver**** is even better still. Siamese Dream... what an album.

Awesome Group! So Many Great Songs. "1979" is one of my Favs.

Way to go, you are now on Conan's 10 MusicBanter Members I'd like to Kill list.

You are seriously calling Mellon Collie unlistenable?

Why not

I did :thumb:

I think it's slow at points but it contains some of their best work. It pisses over Siemese Dream, to be honest.

Incredible album, throughout. I recently downloaded a live performance from his Melon Colie tour '97 and was instantly transported back to the early 90's when I got into Siamese Dream and the memories flooded my head.

Not sure about this, but it is a matter of opinion-- I enjoy Melon Colie equally as well as I enjoy Siamese Dream, but couldn't say one "pisses" over the other.


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If you truly enjoyed Siamese Dream and Melon Colie, you should, without much second thought, enjoy very much the Zwan album, "Mary Star of the Sea," with Chamberlin back on the drums. He and Chamberlin were the core of the band throughout the 90's until the overdose incident and the subsequent Melon Colie tour winding up without Chamberlin. The drums and guitars in both Siamese Dream and Melon Colie were basically all recorded by those two. That's the main reason they ended up breaking up.

Seriously, not to say you're wrong, but the Zwan album is incredible. It is as Smashing Pumpkins as it could possibly be without D'arcy and Iha.

So, anyone heard of this new Smashing Pumpkins 44-track album that's going to be released one track at a time, for free? It's called Teargarden by Kaleidyscope. They will sell 11 separate 4-track EPs and then a box set of them all. I'm definitely not a Smashing Pumpkins fanboy, though I was a big fan in the early-mid 90s and still enjoy the early stuff up to and including Adore. I didn't enjoy the last few albums and don't expect to like much from this. Particularly as this may as well be solo Billy Corgan, since no original members are participating. However, it still interests me to at least hear the songs at least once.

The first track was released this week.

Track Listing:

EP 1
1. "A Song for a Son" – 6:02 download link
2. "Astral Planes"
3. "A Stitch in Time"
4. "Widow Wake My Mind"

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LINK

We will however sell highly limited edition EP's (of 4 songs each times 11), and details of how those EP's will be made available are still being worked out.

All that said & quoted, I just streamed the song from the site (I'll download it from home as the streaming was very choppy). It sounded pretty cheap, uninspired, and boring. While Corgan's voice has gotten progressively more annoying as time goes on, I don't feel that it's any worse here, but it's not pleasant either. I'll give the song another shot at home.

I'm interested in this - but as I like to listen to albums the whole way through it's going to be a massive undertaking.

Yeah I'm an album person too, but it is what it is, could be interesting. One track at a time could be less painful. :D

What a terrible,terrible idea the reunion has been.To be honest I can't listen to the Pumpkins anymore,so awful has it been.

Zeitguist was alright, but not a nessicary addition to the pumpkin's catalog.

Gives you time to quit while you're ahead if the quality noticeably begins to decline.

I like the new song 'Song For A Son' but i just don't see it as the Smashing Pumpkins. It just feels like Billy Corgan solo material or Zwan Mk II. The Smashing Pumpkins used to be my favourite band but Billy and his ego destroyed all that. However i try to be an open-minded guy so i will download most of the new songs as they are released and give them a listen, there's bound to be at least 10 songs that are great on their own terms, but i will pretty much hear them as Billy Corgan's solo project.

Like Mellon Collie I'm sure there will be some real gems and a merciless amount of filler.

Very true. Billy's gonna release 44 songs. I can't possibly imagine all of those 44 songs being quality material. But if there's a single album worth of material in those 44 songs i'll be happy enough.

Yeah there's a fair bit of filler on Melon Collie, especially on CD2. They could have narrowed that album down into a pretty sweet single album.

Well let's hope it doesn't decline, as the first song is not very good.

Yup. And yeah it would be nice to have a single album's worth of good tracks out of the set.

Totally agree. And sadly, that goes for almost every double-CD in existence, no matter how much I may like a band.

Well if it totally falls flat on its face Billy Corgan always has his poetry to fall back on :laughing:

I kid, years ago I use to be the most rabid Smashing Pumkins and Billy Corgan fan I knew. I spent over $1000 on guitar equipment trying to emulate his sound. I use to listen to Melon Collie & the Infinite Sadness religiously and nearly shat myself when I found a Siamese Dreams tab book for guitar. I always knew in the back of my mind that Billy Corgan was a massive control freak with as large an ego which contributed largely the dissolving of the band and sour relationships between the members. I just didn't want to believe that someone who could write such beautiful music could also be that much of a douche, but one day I finally just accepted the fact and the music became less meaningful and important to me. Kind of an odd story, however I just don't want to come across as a SP hater.

Gish was one of my favorite albums for a while when I was in high school. I loved Siamese Dream too. But beyond those and Pisces Iscariot and whatever other old singles are around - I find them pretty unlistenable. Funny story: between the years of about 1998-2001 I tried to sell my Mellon Collie CD to used record stores 3 different times (as one in a stack I was trying to sell) and it was turned down every time. My copy was in excellent condition - it was just that the record stores had too many already (one of them told me that, anyway). But I'm actually glad that I held on to it - even though I may never listen to it I still consider it the final legit SP album.

Even though it was a new direction and that's probably why most don't like it, I think Adore is really good. It's a bit overlong, but not as bad as a double CD. It helps that I was already a fan of electronic & industrial music though, both of which influenced the album to some degree.

I agree Adore was for me more then welcome into their catalog, but it definetly was the beginning of the end for them.