The Official Smashing Pumpkins/Billy Corgan Thread

duga · 06-05-2010, 07:55 PM

Being a die hard Pumpkins fan, I will listen to just about anything Billy releases, but they will just never top what they did in the 90's. That being said, I thought the first Teargarden EP was not too bad...far better than Zeitgeist at least. It just kind of bugs the **** out of me that Jimmy isn't there anymore. I was completely satisfied calling the band Smashing Pumpkins as long as Jimmy was still there...but now that he is gone it really is just a Billy solo project.

He is supposed to be going all over the place with these Teargarden EP's...so the next one will solidify my opinion of how I think they are doing.

I think right now the number one thing I would like to see from them is a properly mastered version of Machina II...the vinyl rips are fine, but I really want to hear what the complete vision of those songs is meant to be.

SGR · 06-06-2010, 06:28 PM

^A properly mastered and released version of Machina II will never happen.

As for my favorite Pumpkin Songs:

Here Is No Why
Dross
Blue
Starla
Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby
Silver****
Geek U.S.A.
Rocket
Soma
Slow Dawn
Mayonaise
Crestfallen
Love
To Sheila
Glass And The Ghost Children
Glass' Theme
Tear

And too many others to list.

90'sMusicKid · 06-06-2010, 08:49 PM

Favorite Songs:

Everything off Gish, Siamese Dream and Pisces Iscariot.

Songs I hate:

Bullet With Butterfly Wings

Tonight Tonight

1979

Everything off Adore

sidewinder · 06-06-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 90'sMusicKid

Songs I hate:
Tonight Tonight
1979

High five!

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Originally Posted by 90'sMusicKid

Songs I hate:

Everything off Adore

I actually quite like most of Adore. With a bit of fat trimmed (for length, mostly) it would be a really solid IMO. As is I still consider it very good.

90'sMusicKid · 06-06-2010, 09:58 PM

Let me put it this way, I like the melody's in Adore, but the electronic drums in the entire album sound SOOOOOO stupid.

sidewinder · 06-06-2010, 10:10 PM

I guess they don't bother me because I'm a fan of electronic music, and I think it worked well for those songs. I like the dark gothic feel of it, even though it's drastically different from their previous albums. I really love the song "Eye" from the Lost Highway soundtrack that came out before Adore, and it really set the stage for what was to come.

duga · 06-06-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

^A properly mastered and released version of Machina II will never happen.

I'm well aware of that.

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Originally Posted by 90'sMusicKid

Let me put it this way, I like the melody's in Adore, but the electronic drums in the entire album sound SOOOOOO stupid.

Ummm...have you listened to the whole album? There are plenty of live drums in there...including a track featuring Matt Cameron from Soundgarden/Pearl Jam. Adore is an amazing album and it is actually that album that built up the respect I have for Billy Corgan. He was the king of alternative and decided to make an electro-pop album...not many artists will attempt something like that. You can argue the album is crap but it is one of my favorite SP albums.

90'sMusicKid · 06-06-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

I'm well aware of that.

Ummm...have you listened to the whole album? There are plenty of live drums in there...including a track featuring Matt Cameron from Soundgarden/Pearl Jam. Adore is an amazing album and it is actually that album that built up the respect I have for Billy Corgan. He was the king of alternative and decided to make an electro-pop album...not many artists will attempt something like that. You can argue the album is crap but it is one of my favorite SP albums.

I didn't say it was a crap, its a great album Im just not a fan of it.

Zer0 · 06-07-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 90'sMusicKid

Favorite Songs:

Everything off Gish, Siamese Dream and Pisces Iscariot.

Songs I hate:

Bullet With Butterfly Wings

Tonight Tonight

1979

Everything off Adore

Adore is my 2nd favourite Pumpkins album. I can understand why a lot of people dislike it, they just want some rock music, but Adore isn't a rock album it's something else. It has Billy's most beautiful, personal and heartfelt songs and his songwriting was streets ahead of what was on Mellon Collie, maybe this was the real Billy Corgan?

The only Pumpkins songs i can't really bear to listen to are 'Spiteface' and 'Nothing and Everything' off their self-titled demo. They sound really directionless, misjudged and just don't work at all no matter how much you listen to them. And maybe some Mellon Collie tracks like 'We Only Come Out At Night' and 'Farewell and Goodnight'.

sidewinder · 06-07-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero1986

The only Pumpkins songs i can't really bear to listen to are ... And maybe some Mellon Collie tracks like '1979' and 'Tonight, Tonight'.

Edited for me.

06-05-2010, 07:55 PM	#381 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Being a die hard Pumpkins fan, I will listen to just about anything Billy releases, but they will just never top what they did in the 90's. That being said, I thought the first Teargarden EP was not too bad...far better than Zeitgeist at least. It just kind of bugs the **** out of me that Jimmy isn't there anymore. I was completely satisfied calling the band Smashing Pumpkins as long as Jimmy was still there...but now that he is gone it really is just a Billy solo project. He is supposed to be going all over the place with these Teargarden EP's...so the next one will solidify my opinion of how I think they are doing. I think right now the number one thing I would like to see from them is a properly mastered version of Machina II...the vinyl rips are fine, but I really want to hear what the complete vision of those songs is meant to be. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

06-06-2010, 08:49 PM	#383 (permalink)
90'sMusicKid That weird kid Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 214	Favorite Songs: Everything off Gish, Siamese Dream and Pisces Iscariot. Songs I hate: Bullet With Butterfly Wings Tonight Tonight 1979 Everything off Adore __________________ I'm waiting for the come down to put me in my place i'm giving you the low down so you don't make my mistakes

06-06-2010, 09:58 PM	#385 (permalink)
90'sMusicKid That weird kid Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 214	Let me put it this way, I like the melody's in Adore, but the electronic drums in the entire album sound SOOOOOO stupid. __________________ I'm waiting for the come down to put me in my place i'm giving you the low down so you don't make my mistakes

06-06-2010, 10:10 PM	#386 (permalink)
sidewinder Engorged Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,536	I guess they don't bother me because I'm a fan of electronic music, and I think it worked well for those songs. I like the dark gothic feel of it, even though it's drastically different from their previous albums. I really love the song "Eye" from the Lost Highway soundtrack that came out before Adore, and it really set the stage for what was to come. __________________ last.fm \| my collection on RYM \| vinyl instagram @allthatyouseeandhear I'd love to see your signature/links too, but the huge and obnoxious ones have caused me to block all signatures.

06-06-2010, 06:28 PM	#382 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,326	^A properly mastered and released version of Machina II will never happen. As for my favorite Pumpkin Songs: Here Is No Why Dross Blue Starla Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans Thru The Eyes Of Ruby Silver**** Geek U.S.A. Rocket Soma Slow Dawn Mayonaise Crestfallen Love To Sheila Glass And The Ghost Children Glass' Theme Tear And too many others to list.