Starship's "We Built This City" - it sucks or not?

OccultHawk · 11-09-2018, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

Fans don't get to invent intent.

The artist doesn’t have to know it’s in there for it to be there. Science works the same way.

And frankly fans can indeed invent intent. You do it all the time with RAC and ICP. The artists indeed didn’t see what you see in it during the creative process but art is always open to interpretation beyond the confines of any single mind including the artist’s. The common intent was to create something for others to enjoy and interpret as they see fit.

Shakespeare didn’t know about DNA when he wrote this mortal coil. Yet, somehow he did.

~~MicShazam~~ · 11-09-2018, 04:04 PM

Artist intent is 100% irrelevant to me as far as my experience of art goes.
When the artwork is let loose into the world, it's no longer up to the artist to say what it is.

The Batlord · 11-09-2018, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

The artist doesn’t have to know it’s in there for it to be there. Science works the same way.

And frankly fans can indeed invent intent. You do it all the time with RAC and ICP. The artists indeed didn’t see what you see in it during the creative process but art is always open to interpretation beyond the confines of any single mind including the artist’s. The common intent was to create something for others to enjoy and interpret as they see fit.

Shakespeare didn’t know about DNA when he wrote this mortal coil. Yet, somehow he did.

That does not extend to conspiracy thoeries about what an artist actually meant.

And yes I know Nea was just being Nea.

WWWP · 11-09-2018, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Artist intent is 100% irrelevant to me as far as my experience of art goes.
When the artwork is let loose into the world, it's no longer up to the artist to say what it is.

Interesting. I'd say the opposite for myself. I tend to think of art as an extension of the artist so intent, even if just perceived intent, matters in regard to how I receive the piece.

Mindy · 11-09-2018, 04:12 PM

It doesn't suck

~~MicShazam~~ · 11-09-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP

Interesting. I'd say the opposite for myself. I tend to think of art as an extension of the artist so intent, even if just perceived intent, matters in regard to how I receive the piece.

I can't really know what the artist intends anyway. Even if he/she has said so in an interview and I read it, I still can't know if he/she is lying or managing to fully express the real, deeply felt intent behind the work of art in question.

So however it comes off to me, that's how I judge it.

Which means I think that mamba line in We Built This City is really dumb, regardless of whatever the songwriter had or didn't have in mind

Neapolitan · 11-09-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

That does not extends to conspiracy thoeries about what an artist actually meant.

And yes I know Nea was just being Nea.

My posts are my art. You don't get to say what intentions are, you said so yourself, brof.

The Batlord · 11-09-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

My posts are my art. You don't get to say what intentions are, you said so yourself, brof.

So you're being someone else?

OccultHawk · 11-09-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Artist intent is 100% irrelevant to me as far as my experience of art goes.
When the artwork is let loose into the world, it's no longer up to the artist to say what it is.

Church

Neapolitan · 11-09-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

So you're being someone else?

Just saying you should follow your own advice. If that is your position "Fans don't get to invent intent." than you should take that to its full conclusion and not guess anybody's intent or assume what they are thinking.

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