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Old 12-17-2017, 09:39 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Isn't moving the goalposts from right wing to strictly free market capitalism a disingenuous move that only dirty liberals would make? Nazis used elements of the free market to their advantage, therefore they are defined by it. Just like how they use socialist in their name therefore they're left wing. Just like how Democrats love democracy because it's in their name.

You're not doing a good job on this, just post the Jordan Peterson video or Breitbart article and we can all discuss that instead. It would be slightly more constructive than you getting confused while we try to explain.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:40 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Did the government have control of the economy in Nazi Germany or was it free-market?
It was both. Ultimately the gov could take control of whatever it wanted, but the policy was definitely to leave businesses to thrive or fail as they should, as propping up the weak was anathema to the Nazis. They basically had the same philosophy towards business that you do, barring their obsession with the state. So, again, it was both.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:42 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Give me an example of a free market capitalist economy that had a fascist government.

As I said, I'm using right/left in terms of economic policy, nothing more. If you want to discuss this more in terms of social politics like conservative and liberal, have at it. But that isn't where I'm coming from.
Chile under Augustus Pinochet.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:42 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Isn't moving the goalposts from right wing to strictly free market capitalism a disingenuous move that only dirty liberals would make? Nazis used elements of the free market to their advantage, therefore they are defined by it. Just like how they use socialist in their name therefore they're left wing. Just like how Democrats love democracy because it's in their name.

You're not doing a good job on this, just post the Jordan Peterson video or Breitbart article and we can all discuss that instead. It would be slightly more constructive than you getting confused while we try to explain.
I started the discussion clearly stating that I used right and left as economic terms.

Answer the question or stop responding.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:45 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I started the discussion clearly stating that I used right and left as economic terms.

Answer the question or stop responding.
Answer is yes, they did use free market capitalism. Post the video or even video series that inspired you or stop embarrassing yourself. I guess it's not that different on second thought.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:48 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I started the discussion clearly stating that I used right and left as economic terms.

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Nah you started saying that in response to my first big post, with no indication that you'd ever thought that beforehand. My assumption is that you moved the goalposts to cover your basic ignorance on the subject.
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Chile under Augustus Pinochet.
Good example. That government was relatively right-wing economically. Not quite sure if it qualifies as fascist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August...ons_of_fascism

That's why I try to simplify things by talking economic policy alone.
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Nah you started saying that in response to my first big post, with no indication that you'd ever thought that beforehand. My assumption is that you moved the goalposts to cover your basic ignorance on the subject.
That's just a lie of course. My first comment existed to spark the discussion, I then clearly stated where I come from.
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That's just a lie of course. My first comment existed to spark the discussion, I then clearly stated where I come from.
You stated it and then never said a single thing of substance. Gives the impression that you don't have anything to say and it's easy to interpret something that someone like that says as moving goalposts.
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That's why I try to simplify things by talking economic policy alone.
Have you ever considered that you tried so hard not to be an unthinking liberal in an echo chamber that you became an unthinking conservative defined by cheap talking points that could only be held up by not leaving an echo chamber? Because to deny a large and well-defined dividing line in the right and left is a common trait for those who have had a lot of training in mental gymnastics. Clearly it's better to take things on a case by case basis because that line is definitely flexible across various contexts, but you're clearly just globbing onto conservative oneupmanship here.
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