Right wing rock

**Frownland** · 12-17-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Because it usually is.

And yeah Batlord, don't describe socialist economies and then say they aren't socialist. If the government steps in, it's socialist.

Just link up the video, I'm sure that whoever you're parroting is a lot more articulate than you are.

**Goofle** · 12-17-2017, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Just link up the video, I'm sure that whoever you're parroting is a lot more articulate than you are.

Give me an example of a free market capitalist economy that had a fascist government.

As I said, I'm using right/left in terms of economic policy, nothing more. If you want to discuss this more in terms of social politics like conservative and liberal, have at it. But that isn't where I'm coming from.

**Frownland** · 12-17-2017, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Give me an example of a free market capitalist economy that had a fascist government.

Nazi Germany. You should post the video mate.

**Goofle** · 12-17-2017, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Nazi Germany.

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The Batlord · 12-17-2017, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Give me an example of a free market capitalist economy that had a fascist government.

As I said, I'm using right/left in terms of economic policy, nothing more. If you want to discuss this more in terms of social politics like conservative and liberal, have at it. But that isn't where I'm coming from.

Did you miss my post or are you ignoring it because I make you look stupid?

And please don't pretend like this isn't entirely about associating the left with the Holocaust. Otherwise why would anyone care about bringing up Nazi economics? It's not a particularly interesting subject tbh unless you're just that interested in the Third Reich.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

No, you are wrong. Fascism and Nazism are both right and left wing economically. Those ideologies are predisposed to allowing the strongest to survive and social darwinism and ****, and therefore allow for a certain amount of capitalism to keep business healthy, but when the **** hits the fan the state needs to step in to make sure that the state ultimately benefits from the economy. And of course all of this is decided on the fly with a system that has no coherent plan and just wings it. So to call it socialist is as ignorant as it is to call it capitalist.

Fascism and Nazism in practice actually have more to do with a capitalist oligarchy than anything else, since corporations technically operate independently, but have government appointed liaisons to make sure that the state is represented. There was in effect the same kind of relationship between business and state as there is in the modern Western world due to the tendency of these liaisons to move either from government positions to business positions or vice versa (as in lobbyists). So while there was technically a separation of business and government, money talks in the same way that it does with... us I guess.

Or you have no idea what you're talking about unless Rush Limbaugh tells you what you're talking about.

And all of this ignores that the only reason any right winger ever came up with this argument was to associate the left with the Holocaust. So by keeping up with this garbage, Goofle, you are in effect using the Holocaust for your own cheap means to attack the left because I guess you just don't give a **** and like winning arguments.

**Frownland** · 12-17-2017, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

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They used elements of it, so I'm just going to define Nazism by it since that apparently is a form of logic that you would be cool with. I mean have you read anything in this thread or did you just discard everything that wasn't a Republican talking point?

**Goofle** · 12-17-2017, 09:31 PM

What makes you think Republicans are right wing economically? They want to redistribute wealth in all sorts of ways.

Again, if you want to use different terms we can have a different argument. But I already explain what I mean by right and left wing, and it's all about economic policy.

**Frownland** · 12-17-2017, 09:33 PM

..............................................wut

I think you should find a better hobby than politics, I think it might be a little too complex for you. Or maybe just stick to UK politics?

The Batlord · 12-17-2017, 09:34 PM

Alright I am indeed being ignored because Goofle isn't capable of continuing a debate that isn't shallow. Got it. I guess he figured no one would have any kind of even basic knowledge of Nazi economics so he could get away with spouting plebeian ignorance from a Youtube video/blog/radio show/Fox News bit. This is why modern Libertarianism can suck a dick.

**Goofle** · 12-17-2017, 09:35 PM

Did the government have control of the economy in Nazi Germany or was it free-market?

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