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**Frownland** · 08-23-2016, 09:22 PM

Lol that snare fill is the first thing I thought of when Mondo posed that question.

Blank. · 08-23-2016, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Lol that snare fill is the first thing I thought of when Mondo posed that question.

Lol

Of why he's considered bad?

**Frownland** · 08-23-2016, 09:26 PM

To a small degree, but it was mostly just the first thing that came to mind.

Blank. · 08-23-2016, 09:35 PM

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To a small degree, but it was mostly just the first thing that came to mind.

I always said that as why he was actually a pretty good drummer. Now if he could just stay in timing I'd be able to call him one of the greats.

**Janszoon** · 08-23-2016, 09:40 PM

That first YouTube video sounds like some shitty band whose only influence is Metallica.

Neapolitan · 08-23-2016, 09:43 PM

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What I mean is this: from bar to bar, or if you compare bar 10 to bar 14, say, you can keep things steady in terms of bpm, but let's say that you're playing a syncopated eighth note note figure across those four bars. Well in terms of what we'd call "quantization" a la electronic gear, some of those eighth notes might be ahead of perfect mathematical divisions, and some might be late.

Keeping the same bpm across a number of bars (and the whole piece) is being metronomic on a broad level--and usually that's desired, at least unless you're intentionally straying from it for some reason.

The eighth notes being quite a bit ahead or behind the beat within those bars would be an example of not being metronomic on a fine-grained level. Some of us prefer this, too, as it helps the music groove and lets it "breathe"--it doesn't sound like we've got a TR-909 playing four on the floor.If you were to match his playing up with a perfectly quantized sequence of a transcription of what he's playing, he'd often be ahead or behind the sequencer. (As would Lars and Ringo)

How do analyze this?

Carl Palmer is one of the more technical drummers I know, as well as Carmine Appice and Neil Peart. imo. There are different technique a drummers can do that a drum stroke won't fall exactly on the beat or some division of it, e.g. playing in swing time, playing in the pocket (either ahead of the beat or behind the beat) playing flams and flamacues etc etc. I haven't analyzed Carl Palmer drum rolls through a spectrometer or through an oscilloscope, so just judging by what I hear and I figure he's tight. Somebody who I think is loose would be like Charlie Watts e.g. on Between the Buttons album.

Terrapin_Station · 08-24-2016, 01:51 PM

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Well, the snare fill, as I recall, in Sad But True is considered to be a bit of an innovation for its time. The main reason Ulrich gets so much shit is he doesn't play in time very well.

Yet we just had complaints that he was metronomic.

Something isn't adding up.

Blank. · 08-24-2016, 01:53 PM

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Yet we just had complaints that he was metronomic.

Something isn't adding up.

Well, he is metronomic. Occasionally he does something that isn't, but he for the most part is metronomic.

**Frownland** · 08-24-2016, 01:55 PM

*metronome running out of power

Terrapin_Station · 08-24-2016, 01:58 PM

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How do analyze this?

I just use my ears. ;-)

Of course, I've been playing instruments for almost 50 years now--with drums being my first instrument, and I've been playing professionally for over 40 years. It's not necessarily something easy to hear without a lot of experience, and it might take particular sorts of experiences that not everyone would have.

For example, when I was at university, I had an African percussion (group) class with a pretty well-respected percussionist from Senegal. We were a bunch of kids from around the US, so it's not as if we'd grown up immersed in people playing African percussion. Early on, after a class or two just going over basic mechanics and such, we went through a few classes of the teacher screaming "No! No!" at us as we tried playing back a rhythm he was playing for us--it seemed pretty simple. But it turned out that we weren't hearing timing, phrasing and timbral nuances that he could hear, and it sounded like a train wreck to him. It took us awhile to start to get it, but finally our ears started opening up more.

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Well, he is metronomic. Occasionally he does something that isn't, but he for the most part is metronomic.

You can't both fail to keep time well and be metronomic, haha.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	metronome running out of power __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x