New Metallica album coming out November 18, 2016 -- Hardwired..To Self-Destruct

Terrapin_Station · 08-23-2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Harvester of Sorrow depicts what I described perfectly. He also doesn't live up to the rest of the band (apart from Hammett's wah pedal), he just seems to do the bare minimum of what's required of him, or at least that's what it sounds like to me.

Then you don't understand what you're hearing very well if that sounds metronomic or as if he's "keeping the beat steady on a single drum" minus the occasional fill.

We could go bar by bar, but for example, for the first couple bars, he's melodically playing the riff in unison. Then he comes in with the groove on the floor toms and low toms as a bass(guitar)-like counterpoint to the riff, then at :45 he does a combination of that and playing both in unison with the riff and playing busier counterpoint to the riff, melodically, across his toms. And so on.

**Frownland** · 08-23-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

Then you don't understand what you're hearing very well if that sounds metronomic or as if he's "keeping the beat steady on a single drum" minus the occasional fill.

You don't hear the ride cymbal on that song?

JGuy Grungeman · 08-23-2016, 04:26 PM

Although I'm glad their modern works are going back to their thrashier sound, it seems like they've been there and done that just judging from this.

Neapolitan · 08-23-2016, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

And the metronome comment seems particularly odd, because Lars doesn't at all have a metronomic sense of time on a fine-grained scale. He rather has a very unusual, quite loose sense of time that ebbs and flows in its details similar to Ringo and Carl Palmer, say. That's one of the things I like about him a lot. That doesn't mean that he doesn't keep steady time on a broader scale, but it breathes.

I heard a drummer once complain that Carl Palmer's timing is too impeccable, like he is a human metronome, and it makes him sound dole and uninspired. I rather like Carol's drumming, he is classically trained and Jazz influnced playing is pretty great imo.

Terrapin_Station · 08-23-2016, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You don't hear the ride cymbal on that song?

Alright, so you don't know what you're hearing. ;-)

There's no ride cymbal in "Harvester of Sorrow". He only uses his hi-hat, crash and china/pang cymbals when he uses cymbals. He often doesn't keep time on his cymbals in the tune, though.

There are a couple times when his hi-hat has a ride-like sound that's rather quiet. Maybe that's what you're hearing?

**Frownland** · 08-23-2016, 04:35 PM

Whichever cymbal he's using to keep the beat for about half the song.

Terrapin_Station · 08-23-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I heard a drummer once complain that Carl Palmer's timing is too impeccable, like he is a human metronome, and it makes him sound dole and uninspired. I rather like Carol's drumming, he is classically trained and Jazz influnced playing is pretty great imo.

That's ridiculous though. Palmer is extremely loose--that's one of the main features of his playing, that his time, on a fine-grained level, is so loose. And part of that is that when he'd play a shuffle, for example, it would often sound halfway between straight 8s and a shuffle, where it would kind of bounce back and forth between the two.

I'd be frightened to hear people saying things like this play, because they're not parsing what they're hearing very well.

Key · 08-23-2016, 04:40 PM

I guess another thing going for them right now is that I'm not exhausted by their music like I am with Megadeth.

Neapolitan · 08-23-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

That's ridiculous though. Palmer is extremely loose--that's one of the main features of his playing, that his time, on a fine-grained level, is so loose. And part of that is that when he'd play a shuffle, for example, it would often sound halfway between straight 8s and a shuffle, where it would kind of bounce back and forth between the two.

I'd be frightened to hear people saying things like this play, because they're not parsing what they're hearing very well.

I don't know what you mean "on a fine-grained" level. Jim Fox and Frank Beard are loose in my book. Palmer is very tight, accurate and maybe this comes from his studying. Palmer is very profient, what he does is very rudimentary. I'm not saying he can't do the shuffle or strike the Toms at a odd time, but when he does it's exactly where it should be.

Blank. · 08-23-2016, 05:23 PM

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When I say good production, I mean the production that best suits the music so it could either be lofi or hifi. I don't think they've ever achieved quality in that aspect tbh.

In that case, no. They never had a production that suited them. Kind of odd. The band that many people consider to be the greatest heavy metal band has never had good production.

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Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	I guess another thing going for them right now is that I'm not exhausted by their music like I am with Megadeth.