"Led Zeppelin stole from African American musicians"

MusicalLords · 08-22-2016, 04:56 AM

Is this true, I have heard this claim before....that they would not be as popular if they were a black band...since they were playing music that many african american musicians were playing

is this accurate or true?

Hypocrisy · 08-22-2016, 05:37 AM

Led Zeppelin outright lifted stuff from Wille Dixon etc. But the music was presented in a completely different high energy electrified manner as to make it their own... quite an achivement when considering some of It was stolen ...so yes and no. They lifted but they also created a new vision not really touched upon before them. Others had shown a desire to be heavier. .Cream etc. But no one really achieved true heaviness before Zeppelin laid the ground worki
I supposed you needed to be there to really comprehend my full meaning of their impact..

Key · 08-22-2016, 11:18 AM

Zeppelin ripped off everyone.

**Frownland** · 08-22-2016, 11:19 AM

They wouldn't be as popular if they were a black band, definitely, but that's nothing to do with them stealing songs from black artists (which they definitely did).

Blank. · 08-22-2016, 11:21 AM

Didn't they also steal from white artists? Why so much focus on black people?

ialwaysbetheone · 08-22-2016, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

well they took this really dangerous music African American were playing and made it about mystical dragons and **** so white neckbearded kids can list it as their favorite band forever now

Zeppelin didn't "steal" from anybody...WTF does that even mean to "steal"

Zeppelin was certaintly influenced by Blues in their early career, which I guess you can say is a "black" genre, but they put their own twist on it that was completely unique

this is like saying Einstein "stole" from Newton...or Beethoven "stole" from Mozart

or James Joyce "stole" from Homer

**Frownland** · 08-22-2016, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

It's just the case that artists like Zeppelin didn't so much as build on the blues as much as they ruined it

I hate that line of thought so much, it's akin to the "the film adaptation ruined the book" complaint. So the existence of more than one type of blues ruins the whole? Nosir.

**Frownland** · 08-22-2016, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm more saying the music they produced was a ruined version of the blues

Not that it somehow retroactively makes The Chambers Brothers not amazing

Aye. Just seen too much of the latter.

Chula Vista · 08-22-2016, 12:42 PM

Here’s how I see it. Not exactly indicative of a SERIAL PLAGERIST.

1. Good Times Bad Times
2. Babe I’m Gonna Leave You
3. You Shook Me ***
4. Dazed and Confused
5. Your Time is Gonna Come
6. Black Mountain Side
7. Communication Breakdown
8. I Can’t Quit You Babe ***
9. How Many More Times
10. Whole Lotta Love
11. What is and What Should Never Be
12. The Lemon Song
13. Thank You
14. Heartbreaker
15. Living Loving Maid
16. Ramble On
17. Moby Dick
18. Bring it on Home
19. Immigrant Song
20. Friends
21. Celebration Day
22. Since I’ve Been Loving You
23. Out on the Tiles
24. Gallows Pole ***
25. Tangerine
26. That’s the Way
27. Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
28. Hats Off to Roy Harper
29. Black Dog
30. Rock and Roll
31. The Battle of Evermore
32. Stairway to Heaven
33. Misty Mountain Hop
34. Four Sticks
35. Going to California
36. When the Levee Breaks ***
37. The Song Remians the Same
38. The Rain Song
39. Over the Hills and Far Away
40. The Crunge
41. Dancing Days
42. D’Yer Mak’er
43. No Quarter
44. The Ocean
45. Custard Pie
46. The Rover
47. In My Time of Dying
48. Houses of the Holy
49. Trampled Underfoot
50. Kashmir
51. In the Light
52. Bron-Yr-Aur
53. Down by the Seaside
54. Ten Years Gone
55. Night Flight
56. The Wanton Song
57. Boogie With Stu
58. Black Country Woman
59. Sick Again
60. Achilles Last Stand
61. For Your Life
62. Royal Orleans
63. Noboy’s Fault But Mine
64. Candy Store Rock
65. Hots On for Nowhere
66. Tea For One
67. In the Evening
68. Sound Bound Saurez
69. Fool in the Rain
70. Hot Dog
71. Carouselambra
72. All My Love
73. I’m Gonna Crawl
74. We’re Gonna Groove ***
75. Poor Tom
76. Walter’s Walk
77. Ozone Baby
78. Darlene
79. Bonzo’s Montreux
80. Wearing and Tearing
81. Hey Hey What Can I Do

*** Credit given to others on original recordings

Dazed and Confused: Descending riff and lyrical cadence lifted.
Black Mountain Side: Should have been listed as Traditional
Whole Lotta Love: Some lyrics lifted.
Lemon Song: Some lyrics lifted
Bring it on Home: Intro and Outro lyrics lifted. Middle section completely original
Rock and Roll: Very loosely based on Good Golly Miss Molly
Boogie with Stu: Loosely based on Ooh my Head
Stairway to Heaven: 5 note descending intro riff lifted
Nobody’s Fault But Mine: Should have been listed as Traditional

2 – number of songs that should have been listed as Traditional
2 – number of songs where riffs were lifted
3 – number of songs where lyrics were lifted
2 – number of songs loosely based on other songs

**Frownland** · 08-22-2016, 12:43 PM

Everybody look surprised.

08-22-2016, 04:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
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Hypocrisy Surfin Sonic Destruction Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: mother gaia Posts: 220	Led Zeppelin outright lifted stuff from Wille Dixon etc. But the music was presented in a completely different high energy electrified manner as to make it their own... quite an achivement when considering some of It was stolen ...so yes and no. They lifted but they also created a new vision not really touched upon before them. Others had shown a desire to be heavier. .Cream etc. But no one really achieved true heaviness before Zeppelin laid the ground worki I supposed you needed to be there to really comprehend my full meaning of their impact.. Last edited by Hypocrisy; 08-22-2016 at 05:57 AM.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	They wouldn't be as popular if they were a black band, definitely, but that's nothing to do with them stealing songs from black artists (which they definitely did). __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-22-2016, 12:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Here’s how I see it. Not exactly indicative of a SERIAL PLAGERIST. 1. Good Times Bad Times 2. Babe I’m Gonna Leave You 3. You Shook Me * 4. Dazed and Confused 5. Your Time is Gonna Come 6. Black Mountain Side 7. Communication Breakdown 8. I Can’t Quit You Babe * 9. How Many More Times 10. Whole Lotta Love 11. What is and What Should Never Be 12. The Lemon Song 13. Thank You 14. Heartbreaker 15. Living Loving Maid 16. Ramble On 17. Moby Dick 18. Bring it on Home 19. Immigrant Song 20. Friends 21. Celebration Day 22. Since I’ve Been Loving You 23. Out on the Tiles 24. Gallows Pole * 25. Tangerine 26. That’s the Way 27. Bron-Y-Aur Stomp 28. Hats Off to Roy Harper 29. Black Dog 30. Rock and Roll 31. The Battle of Evermore 32. Stairway to Heaven 33. Misty Mountain Hop 34. Four Sticks 35. Going to California 36. When the Levee Breaks * 37. The Song Remians the Same 38. The Rain Song 39. Over the Hills and Far Away 40. The Crunge 41. Dancing Days 42. D’Yer Mak’er 43. No Quarter 44. The Ocean 45. Custard Pie 46. The Rover 47. In My Time of Dying 48. Houses of the Holy 49. Trampled Underfoot 50. Kashmir 51. In the Light 52. Bron-Yr-Aur 53. Down by the Seaside 54. Ten Years Gone 55. Night Flight 56. The Wanton Song 57. Boogie With Stu 58. Black Country Woman 59. Sick Again 60. Achilles Last Stand 61. For Your Life 62. Royal Orleans 63. Noboy’s Fault But Mine 64. Candy Store Rock 65. Hots On for Nowhere 66. Tea For One 67. In the Evening 68. Sound Bound Saurez 69. Fool in the Rain 70. Hot Dog 71. Carouselambra 72. All My Love 73. I’m Gonna Crawl 74. We’re Gonna Groove * 75. Poor Tom 76. Walter’s Walk 77. Ozone Baby 78. Darlene 79. Bonzo’s Montreux 80. Wearing and Tearing 81. Hey Hey What Can I Do * Credit given to others on original recordings Dazed and Confused: Descending riff and lyrical cadence lifted. Black Mountain Side: Should have been listed as Traditional Whole Lotta Love: Some lyrics lifted. Lemon Song: Some lyrics lifted Bring it on Home: Intro and Outro lyrics lifted. Middle section completely original Rock and Roll: Very loosely based on Good Golly Miss Molly Boogie with Stu: Loosely based on Ooh my Head Stairway to Heaven: 5 note descending intro riff lifted Nobody’s Fault But Mine: Should have been listed as Traditional 2 – number of songs that should have been listed as Traditional 2 – number of songs where riffs were lifted 3 – number of songs where lyrics were lifted 2 – number of songs loosely based on other songs __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

08-22-2016, 12:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Everybody look surprised. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-22-2016, 11:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	Zeppelin ripped off everyone.

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Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,033	Didn't they also steal from white artists? Why so much focus on black people?