Metal Showdown (Round 7) - Nirvana vs Metallica

The Batlord · 09-15-2016, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Layne Staley's vocals were one of the leading influences in grunge. A lot of grunge bands tried to copy him. And Eddie Vedder.

1. I was talking about the music, which might actually have less in common with grunge than Pearl Jam does. On second thought, nah.

2. Influencing later bands (who probably were post-grunge anyway) does not retroactively make you part of the same genre.

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Alternative metal doesn't exist in one of the world's most famous alternative and metal bands that helped to bring alternative itself into the mainstream, as well as being noticably different from the others of the big 3 for it's obvious metal influence from metal bands like Melvins?

Alternative metal is not a genre that bands play, but it's a classification for certain bands from the 90s who were influenced by certain other genres and didn't fall into any other metal subgenre. Like Alice in Chains.

And I don't really think of the Melvins as metal... at least not as a metal band. They have a metallic sound to a degree, and invented their own genre of metal, but on their own they were metal, alternative, hardcore, post-hardcore, and probably a bunch of other ****.

JGuy Grungeman · 09-15-2016, 12:26 PM

But that means they were still recognized as metal. Plus, Alice in Chains didn't just influence other metal bands. They were heavily influenced by various metal bands, including a previous metal band Staley was a part of.

There is a fine line between hard rock and metal, and it varies from person to person. I would not say AC/DC are metal, and I think it's noobish to consider them that. But Alice in Chains are considerably heavier than AC/DC, as well as Soundgarden who often borders on the exact point or just blow the point of 80's metal. Their range of metal influences include the same bands that were the leading influences on metal itself: Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple. As well as Metallica.

Tristan_Geoff · 09-15-2016, 12:27 PM

And there's a fine line between grunge and very much not grunge.

Contendors: all the other big 4 grunge bands bar Nirvana

Key · 09-15-2016, 12:28 PM

I was following you JGuy, until you said that Led Zeppelin influenced metal. That's a laughable comment if I ever saw one.

JGuy Grungeman · 09-15-2016, 12:28 PM

Hah! I could raise the "angst" argument again, but very few understandf it (let alone have the time to read the long article I've posted here multiple times).

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Originally Posted by Ki

I was following you JGuy, until you said that Led Zeppelin influenced metal. That's a laughable comment if I ever saw one.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. And I've seen enough political memes to last a lifetime. Led Zeppelin are KNOWN for helping to pioneer metal. Look all over sites like this. You're literally the first person I've ever met who had that opinion.

Tristan_Geoff · 09-15-2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

I was following you JGuy, until you said that Led Zeppelin influenced metal. That's a laughable comment if I ever saw one.

Tell me Dazed and Confused doesn't sound like a song off Sabbath's debut.

Key · 09-15-2016, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

You're literally the first person I've ever met who had that opinion.

It's strange that when someone has an opinion, people seem to think that any factual evidence is the prime influence of it, and not the way people hear music.

How odd.

The Batlord · 09-15-2016, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

But that means they were still recognized as metal. Plus, Alice in Chains didn't just influence other metal bands. They were heavily influenced by various metal bands, including a previous metal band Staley was a part of.

There is a fine line between hard rock and metal, and it varies from person to person. I would not say AC/DC are metal, and I think it's noobish to consider them that. But Alice in Chains are considerably heavier than AC/DC, as well as Soundgarden who often borders on the exact point or just blow the point of 80's metal. Their range of metal influences include the same bands that were the leading influences on metal itself: Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple. As well as Metallica.

Yeah Melvins have metal in their sound, but they have so much more going on than just that, whereas Alice in Chains are not nearly so diverse, so the metal in their sound defines them more than it does the Melvins. I don't even call the Melvins anything. They're just the Melvins.

JGuy Grungeman · 09-15-2016, 12:36 PM

Read articles, Ki. Led Zeppelin's first album was criticized by some for being so heavy. Later, it was seen as breaking new ground. Leppelin was VERY heavy for their time, even though they are not the heavy metal the 80's got to know. Sabbath and other bands followed in Zeppelin's footsteps. Talk to various late-70's to 80's metal bands, they will say Zeppelin was one of their leading influences. What more proof do you need other than the words of the bands?

@Bat I agree with you there, although they still carried the tone and lyrical content grunge was known for, even if they were a bit darker.

The Batlord · 09-15-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. And I've seen enough political memes to last a lifetime. Led Zeppelin are KNOWN for helping to pioneer metal. Look all over sites like this. You're literally the first person I've ever met who had that opinion.

I was gonna comment on that too, but I just didn't have the energy to deal with that dumbness.

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09-15-2016, 12:26 PM	#42 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	But that means they were still recognized as metal. Plus, Alice in Chains didn't just influence other metal bands. They were heavily influenced by various metal bands, including a previous metal band Staley was a part of. There is a fine line between hard rock and metal, and it varies from person to person. I would not say AC/DC are metal, and I think it's noobish to consider them that. But Alice in Chains are considerably heavier than AC/DC, as well as Soundgarden who often borders on the exact point or just blow the point of 80's metal. Their range of metal influences include the same bands that were the leading influences on metal itself: Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple. As well as Metallica. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

09-15-2016, 12:36 PM	#49 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Read articles, Ki. Led Zeppelin's first album was criticized by some for being so heavy. Later, it was seen as breaking new ground. Leppelin was VERY heavy for their time, even though they are not the heavy metal the 80's got to know. Sabbath and other bands followed in Zeppelin's footsteps. Talk to various late-70's to 80's metal bands, they will say Zeppelin was one of their leading influences. What more proof do you need other than the words of the bands? @Bat I agree with you there, although they still carried the tone and lyrical content grunge was known for, even if they were a bit darker. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

09-15-2016, 12:28 PM	#44 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	I was following you JGuy, until you said that Led Zeppelin influenced metal. That's a laughable comment if I ever saw one.