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JGuy Grungeman · 03-22-2016, 11:02 PM

All I know is I hear a lot of Kansas here and there and rarely Mike Oldfield.

**Frownland** · 03-22-2016, 11:03 PM

Yes. How does that relate to their influence in the prog realm though?

JGuy Grungeman · 03-23-2016, 10:32 AM

... You're kidding? Popularity. It means that Kansas are more popular than Oldfield. At least around here. But popularity and influence are both key factors in a musician's success. And I'm aware popularity doesn't equate to talent. Still.

**Frownland** · 03-23-2016, 10:34 AM

You seem to be missing my point about them being that relevant to prog rock. Thriller is an incredibly popular record, but it doesn't necessarily deserve to be in that battle either.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-23-2016, 11:07 AM

You mean the pop rock battle? That album is about as poppy as an album can get. But I believe it's not a pop album.
So you speak of truth to the genre?

**Frownland** · 03-23-2016, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

You mean the pop rock battle?

Umm...reading comprehension is your friend.

Quote:

So you speak of truth to the genre?

And relevancy. Shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-23-2016, 11:23 AM

OK, if you meant the prog battle, are you seriously putting Thriller in the same argument about prog? And thus suggesting Kansas is as prog as Thriller? Sure, Leftoverture is a little radio-friendly, but it's proggy as well. Mostly Magnum Opus.

And if I'm wrong, forgive me. I really need coffee.

**Frownland** · 03-23-2016, 11:27 AM

Well, it was an analogy, you see, so the situations aren't exactly identical. I was pointing out how your justification of the album by its popularity isn't the sole determining factor for something to be included. What it boils down to is that Tubular Bells is a better fit.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-23-2016, 11:46 AM

Maybe. I don't care which one leaves. I've heard some of Oldfield's songs, but I'll play Tubular Bells today.
So, are we just going to use this thread to discuss mistakes in the lists.

The Batlord · 03-26-2016, 04:16 AM

About the grunge battle, I don't know if Love Battery's Dayglo really counts as grunge, but they're from the scene and considered grunge by a lot of people, and if Pearl Jam and STP are in the battle, then I'd say Love Battery are close enough. And Dayglo is better than most of those albums. I know we've had this discussion, but I still say that Pearl Jam could be moved to post-grunge, which would open up a spot for Love Battery, and allow us to boot Nickelback, cause why the **** is Nickelback even allowed in this thread?

03-22-2016, 11:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	All I know is I hear a lot of Kansas here and there and rarely Mike Oldfield. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-22-2016, 11:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Yes. How does that relate to their influence in the prog realm though? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

03-23-2016, 10:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	... You're kidding? Popularity. It means that Kansas are more popular than Oldfield. At least around here. But popularity and influence are both key factors in a musician's success. And I'm aware popularity doesn't equate to talent. Still. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-23-2016, 10:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	You seem to be missing my point about them being that relevant to prog rock. Thriller is an incredibly popular record, but it doesn't necessarily deserve to be in that battle either. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

03-23-2016, 11:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	You mean the pop rock battle? That album is about as poppy as an album can get. But I believe it's not a pop album. So you speak of truth to the genre? __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-23-2016, 11:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	OK, if you meant the prog battle, are you seriously putting Thriller in the same argument about prog? And thus suggesting Kansas is as prog as Thriller? Sure, Leftoverture is a little radio-friendly, but it's proggy as well. Mostly Magnum Opus. And if I'm wrong, forgive me. I really need coffee. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-23-2016, 11:27 AM	#18 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Well, it was an analogy, you see, so the situations aren't exactly identical. I was pointing out how your justification of the album by its popularity isn't the sole determining factor for something to be included. What it boils down to is that Tubular Bells is a better fit. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

03-23-2016, 11:46 AM	#19 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Maybe. I don't care which one leaves. I've heard some of Oldfield's songs, but I'll play Tubular Bells today. So, are we just going to use this thread to discuss mistakes in the lists. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.