Guns N Roses reunion confirmed

**Frownland** · 01-06-2016, 12:39 PM

Flex-able is the only one I like because he wasn't Satch 2.0 by that point. He was more like Zappa lite, which is much preferable to the usual "hey look, I can solo over this."

Plankton · 01-06-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I'd take him over Reb Beach three ways to Sunday. Flex-able was an incredible instrumental record.

Back then, yes. Now days, no. Passion was fairly incredible too (so was Leftovers). After that it was all wank.

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As far as GNR'S reunion, I saw them in their heyday with the Stones and they are a horrible live band from my standpoint. Appetite still holds up as a good rock n roll album. I never considered them a hair band either with regards to the debate. They always looked like they needed a shower and shot heroin, hair bands typically looked like they spent hours on their hair and were more about the skirts then their music.

Pretty much validates my point about them not being very talented. Winger was, and is still good live.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Flex-able is the only one I like because he wasn't Satch 2.0 by that point. He was more like Zappa lite, which is much preferable to the usual "hey look, I can solo over this."

I bought "Where The Wild Things Are" and couldn't get through most of it.

**Janszoon** · 01-06-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

It's all subjective of course. That solo actually moved me to tears a few times. Stash never did that to me.

As for GnR... I've never liked them. I think their popularity stemmed more from their personification of the rock and roll lifestyle (and they all played into that illusion really well) more so than having actual talent, which was the point. Sure they were talented, but Winger has more. In my humble opinion.

That’s interesting because I always felt that Winger’s popularity had more to do with Kip Winger’s good looks than anything else. I’ve likewise never liked Winger and always rated them not just below Guns ’n’ Roses, but below Motley Crue and even Poison, down in Warrant/Cinderella territory. Winger may well have been more skilled with their instruments—though not to a degree that makes them interesting to listen to for me—but to me their songwriting is not even close to Guns ’n’ Roses. And being able to produce good music is ultimately the talent I care about with musicians.

FRED HALE SR. · 01-06-2016, 01:06 PM

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That’s interesting because I always felt that Winger’s popularity had more to do with Kip Winger’s good looks than anything else. I’ve likewise never liked Winger and always rated them not just below Guns ’n’ Roses, but below Motley Crue and even Poison, down in Warrant/Cinderella territory. Winger may well have been more skilled with their instruments—though not to a degree that makes them interesting to listen to for me—but to me their songwriting is not even close to Guns ’n’ Roses. And being able to produce good music is ultimately the talent I care about with musicians.

I also found Winger pretty damn boring. I know they are considered to be very talented but it always felt pretty light on my ears. I would rank them below Cinderella also no joke. I felt Motley Crue and GNR always got lumped in with some crappy bands and they really were just rock n roll bands. Going back to your statement about them being good as a complete unit I think thats a very valid statement. They at one point had some really great material and constructed some pretty damn good songs.

Plankton · 01-06-2016, 01:07 PM

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That’s interesting because I always felt that Winger’s popularity had more to do with Kip Winger’s good looks than anything else. I’ve likewise never liked Winger and always rated them not just below Guns ’n’ Roses, but below Motley Crue and even Poison, down in Warrant/Cinderella territory. Winger may well have been more skilled with their instruments—though not to a degree that makes them interesting to listen to for me—but to me their songwriting is not even close to Guns ’n’ Roses. And being able to produce good music is ultimately the talent I care about with musicians.

Nah, they got famous for being borderline pedo's.

All I care about is the guitar playing.

SatoshiNak · 01-06-2016, 01:41 PM

Winger...I could never stand that band and it wasn't until I started posting on the guitar forums I found there are more than a few that really dig the band, mostly due to Reb's playing. I can't knock the dude's playing, but it is Winger for ****'s sake! Stewart from Beavis and Butthead rocked a Winger shirt hahaha! Another thing that really led to my dislike was hearing Reb talk much crap in several interviews about Kirk Hammett due to the video of Lars, darts, and a Winger poster in the Nothing Else Matters video - Kirk has always come across as a really laid-back person and hearing Reb trash his playing was just pathetic coming from a dude who poofed his hair-up and played on such crap as Seventeen. That and ol' Kip making the ridiculous comment " I’ll ****ing challenge those chumps to a fight any day of the week, but we could play their music with our hands tied behind our back. "

Plankton · 01-06-2016, 01:43 PM

lol

JGuy Grungeman · 01-06-2016, 02:08 PM

Would anybody be surprised if I said this is the first time I've heard of Winger?

Chula Vista · 01-06-2016, 02:45 PM

Love Flex-able. 100% agree with Frownland about it and Vai. (mark your calendars folks!)

Beach's playing gets lost on way too many folks because of the Winger baggage BS. The dude is easily amongst the best of the slinger era guitarists technique wise (his melodic tapping is only rivaled by Vito Bratta and Steve Lynch). Plus as Plank noted he can reduce a fellow slinger to tears with his phrasing.

Many have heard this song as a joke but take a real listen to the main solo and then the outro. Un-freaking-believable stuff. Also a great showcase for Kip's vocals.

FRED HALE SR. · 01-06-2016, 02:58 PM

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Love Flex-able. 100% agree with Frownland about it and Vai. (mark your calendars folks!)

Beach's playing gets lost on way too many folks because of the Winger baggage BS. The dude is easily amongst the best of the slinger era guitarists technique wise (his melodic tapping is only rivaled by Vito Bratta and Steve Lynch). Plus as Plank noted he can reduce a fellow slinger to tears with his phrasing.

Many have heard this song as a joke but take a real listen to the main solo and then the outro. Un-freaking-believable stuff. Also a great showcase for Kip's vocals.

Its gonna remain lost on me. I find alot of the technique with two handed tapping to be boring and its all been done. I'd link Paul Gilbert as a better guitarist if I was to remain in the same genre of over technical players. I always preferred Tony Macalpine to all these guys being talked about. I think we have kind of got away from the original intent of the thread however as GNR really were never about technique and all about straight forward rock n roll.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Love Flex-able. 100% agree with Frownland about it and Vai. (mark your calendars folks!) Beach's playing gets lost on way too many folks because of the Winger baggage BS. The dude is easily amongst the best of the slinger era guitarists technique wise (his melodic tapping is only rivaled by Vito Bratta and Steve Lynch). Plus as Plank noted he can reduce a fellow slinger to tears with his phrasing. Many have heard this song as a joke but take a real listen to the main solo and then the outro. Un-freaking-believable stuff. Also a great showcase for Kip's vocals. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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SatoshiNak Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 51	Winger...I could never stand that band and it wasn't until I started posting on the guitar forums I found there are more than a few that really dig the band, mostly due to Reb's playing. I can't knock the dude's playing, but it is Winger for **'s sake! Stewart from Beavis and Butthead rocked a Winger shirt hahaha! Another thing that really led to my dislike was hearing Reb talk much crap in several interviews about Kirk Hammett due to the video of Lars, darts, and a Winger poster in the Nothing Else Matters video - Kirk has always come across as a really laid-back person and hearing Reb trash his playing was just pathetic coming from a dude who poofed his hair-up and played on such crap as Seventeen. That and ol' Kip making the ridiculous comment " I’ll **ing challenge those chumps to a fight any day of the week, but we could play their music with our hands tied behind our back. "

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