Guns N Roses reunion confirmed

**Janszoon** · 01-06-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

So, you're gonna play the tech vs. feel card eh? All I know is **** GnR. Can't stand em. I do however love quite a few songs that Winger did, especially their later stuff.

I'm a guitar player, so this is a bit biased, but here's one good example of my stance on this:

It's funny how everybody creams their pants over the guitar solo in November Rain when it's just Stash bending a note to a minor, and then there's Reb's work on Witness that had gone mostly unnoticed because it didn't get any limelight. In my personal opinion, this outro solo is one of the most soulful and emotional guitar solo's I have ever had the privilege of putting into my earholes. It's got more feeling in just a few tremolo bends than any of Stash's phoned-in crap.

Starts @ about 4:00

Sorry man, this Winger song doesn’t do anything for me. I hear that the guy has technical ability with a guitar but he’s not playing anything that hits me emotionally or interests me in any way. Kip’s voice is as bland as I remember it. The drums and bass take such a backseat that there really isn’t much to say about them. And the keyboard at the beginning is flat out awful. More importantly than the individual pieces, the song itself doesn’t do anything for me.

I’m not here to defend Slash—I think he’s kind of one trick pony who hasn’t done anything worthwhile since the heyday of G’n’R. I’m saying G’n’R worked not as individual pieces, but as a whole. They were more than the sum of their parts and they made some great music at one time.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-06-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

So, you're gonna play the tech vs. feel card eh? All I know is **** GnR. Can't stand em. I do however love quite a few songs that Winger did, especially their later stuff.

I'm a guitar player, so this is a bit biased, but here's one good example of my stance on this:

It's funny how everybody creams their pants over the guitar solo in November Rain when it's just Stash bending a note to a minor, and then there's Reb's work on Witness that had gone mostly unnoticed because it didn't get any limelight. In my personal opinion, this outro solo is one of the most soulful and emotional guitar solo's I have ever had the privilege of putting into my earholes. It's got more feeling in just a few tremolo bends than any of Stash's phoned-in crap.

Starts @ about 4:00

I normally don't get all hyped about November Rain's solo. I love November Rain for the lyrics. Rose may suck at singing these days, even during the UYI days of '91. But he's a good lyricist. Plus, it's the best song on UYI I

Plankton · 01-06-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Sorry man, this Winger song doesn’t do anything for me. I hear that the guy has technical ability with a guitar but he’s not playing anything that hits me emotionally or interests me in any way. Kip’s voice is as bland as I remember it. The drums and bass take such a backseat that there really isn’t much to say about them. And the keyboard at the beginning is flat out awful. More importantly than the individual pieces, the song itself doesn’t do anything for me.

I’m not here to defend Slash—I think he’s kind of one trick pony who hasn’t done anything worthwhile since the heyday of G’n’R. I’m saying G’n’R worked not as individual pieces, but as a whole. They were more than the sum of their parts and they made some great music at one time.

It's all subjective of course. That solo actually moved me to tears a few times. Stash never did that to me.

As for GnR... I've never liked them. I think their popularity stemmed more from their personification of the rock and roll lifestyle (and they all played into that illusion really well) more so than having actual talent, which was the point. Sure they were talented, but Winger has more. In my humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I don't like either of them, but I think that playing appropriately for the music that you're making is a greater sign of talent than complexity and technical ability. That being said, I 100% agree with Plank that Slash plays his guitar via phone.

..and playing appropriately for the music you're making can be interpreted in many ways too. Especially coming from you, Mr. avant-garde. What's appropriate for one, might not be another's cup of tea.

**Frownland** · 01-06-2016, 10:58 AM

I'm aware of that. I just think of it as more important than technical or even emotional elements (although emotion is very high up on my list) when determining talent.

FRED HALE SR. · 01-06-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Good heavens no.

+1 I never understood the love for Winger. I also feel Reb was overhyped. Just because you are on the cover of Guitar Magazine doesn't give you a pass. Winger was worse then Whitesnake and that takes a special kind of band to be that awful.

Plankton · 01-06-2016, 11:19 AM

I don't like Whitesnake, but I love John Sykes playing.

FRED HALE SR. · 01-06-2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

I don't like Whitesnake, but I love John Sykes playing.

I guess i'll have to give them a pass for Steve Vai.

Plankton · 01-06-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I guess i'll have to give them a pass for Steve Vai.

I'm not on that bandwagon. Vai gets on my nerves more than he impresses me.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 01-06-2016, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

There is no way on this green Earth that GNR were EVER the biggest band in the world. Ever.

They very well could have been. They imploded just when their popularity was shooting out of the atmosphere. The only thing stopping them from ruling the charts, stadiums and arena's the world 'round at that time, was their attitudes toward one another and substance abuse. They were pretty big when they broke up. Can't deny it.

But surely they wouldn't have been the biggest band, or ever were. I agree. I'm just saying that they did well back then.

And I knew a reunion of some sort would happen eventually. Doesn't excite me really. Cool I guess.

FRED HALE SR. · 01-06-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

I'm not on that bandwagon. Vai gets on my nerves more than he impresses me.

I'd take him over Reb Beach three ways to Sunday. Flex-able was an incredible instrumental record.

As far as GNR'S reunion, I saw them in their heyday with the Stones and they are a horrible live band from my standpoint. Appetite still holds up as a good rock n roll album. I never considered them a hair band either with regards to the debate. They always looked like they needed a shower and shot heroin, hair bands typically looked like they spent hours on their hair and were more about the skirts then their music.

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