Guns N Roses reunion confirmed

Trollheart · 01-01-2016, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

If we all chip in the price for a ticket, do you think they'll break up again?

If the money's right...

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I don't think you really need magic to get back on good terms with people.

You do if one of them is dead.

Basil C. Thurston III · 01-02-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Spirit

The problem is that they're charging way above a simple $50-$60 ticket, which would easily turn a profit a couple times over with that many seats. I know veteran acts charge out the ass all the time, but $250 and up is just inexcusable, especially for a band that only has one great album, a semi-decent double album, a covers album that nobody asked for, and a "comeback" record that took fifteen years to record.

Any other band would have faded in popularity with such little material and band infighting that these guys have, and yet people are still willing to throw hundreds of their hard-earned money at these guys who haven't recorded anything together in over twenty years. How they're still relevant in any sense is mind boggling.

Appetite was a damn fine record and seeing most of that lineup again would be pretty cool, but too much time has passed for me for it to be worth it, not to mention the ridiculous ticket prices.

I understand what you're saying, but the days of a $50-60 ticket for a mega-band concert are long gone. It's 2016 now, for a stadium-show, I fully expect prices to be over $100 for crappy seats- for ANY artist. I mean, Janet Jackson was scheduled to play here (now cancelled) and she was charging $150 for nosebleeds at the rear of the arena.

You have to consider that a GNR reunion tour is a mega-event. They were the biggest band in the WORLD for a 5 year period- nobody came close to touching them, and a couple of generations call them "their" Led Zeppelin. That's big. It will be a massive money-maker, in merchandise alone much more than ticket sales, IMO. The hard core GNR fans will eat this up and hit multiple shows. The casual fans will go because it's the thing to do in town that night- and they don't know the catalog, they're going to hear 3-4 songs at best anyways. Rock fans will go because it won't ever happen again and some of them missed it the first go round.

I personally don't think they put out a bad album. I was hugely disappointed in Chinese Democracy because it was too much production- if they ever go back and strip it down, go more with a live sound, it'd be much easier to swallow. Everything else is very, very good, IMO. Go back and revisit the early stuff, you might find you hear things you missed before. I know I dismissed the live album the first time around but now it's one of my favs.

Basil C. Thurston III · 01-02-2016, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by IvanMC

Basil, Two Spirit, I think you're totally right. I had no idea about Boomblefoot walking away from GNR or anything... I kind of decided to lay off music magazines, bands news, etc, long ago. That piece of news did surprise me, I must admit. I was kind of raving, anyway, because I think Ron Thal is an outstanding musician: but if there's going to be a reunion, he has no place indeed, although he was Axl's mate for nearly 10 years.
I saw GNR in 1992; those days were indeed their heyday, and I think they were special live: a luxurious band backing them up, interesting solos by Sorum and Slash, jams that blew me away... I mean, it looked more like a professional performance than to a handsome guy singing ballads. I think they did their very best. And I was there for their very last concert in 1993 as well, which wasn't as good as the one in 1992.
Cheers and have a great 2016!

Thal is indeed a great, great guitar player but I think he is truly satisfied with doing his own thing and being a hired gun from time to time. His wife is a physician, so he doesn't need the money, lol.
As for GNR in '92, sure, they were firing on all cylinders back then, the apex of their stardom. But also consider that you can see that in almost every single band that has ever existed- that climb, the apex, that decline- they never last forever, they don't always keep getting better and things fall apart much of the time. If you could have seen the Crosby, Stills & Nash I did in the early 70s compared to the one today, you'd think they were different bands. Neil Young/ Crazy Horse was phenomenal in the 80s, not so much this last tour. And if you saw Springsteen in '76 like I did, well, you might shake your head at today's Bruce. it's nature at work, and nature isn't always kind.
Black Sabbath in 2015 wasn't anything close to it in 1975. But I went because it was Black Sabbath!

**Janszoon** · 01-02-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Basil C. Thurston III

I understand what you're saying, but the days of a $50-60 ticket for a mega-band concert are long gone. It's 2016 now, for a stadium-show, I fully expect prices to be over $100 for crappy seats- for ANY artist. I mean, Janet Jackson was scheduled to play here (now cancelled) and she was charging $150 for nosebleeds at the rear of the arena.

You have to consider that a GNR reunion tour is a mega-event. They were the biggest band in the WORLD for a 5 year period- nobody came close to touching them, and a couple of generations call them "their" Led Zeppelin. That's big. It will be a massive money-maker, in merchandise alone much more than ticket sales, IMO. The hard core GNR fans will eat this up and hit multiple shows. The casual fans will go because it's the thing to do in town that night- and they don't know the catalog, they're going to hear 3-4 songs at best anyways. Rock fans will go because it won't ever happen again and some of them missed it the first go round.

I love G'n'R but there's no way on earth I'd pay that much to see them, especially since it would be in some crappy stadium where you can barely even see the stage. I truly don't understand why people are willing to pay extra-large sums of money to see any band in that kind of environment.

Trollheart · 01-02-2016, 09:59 AM

There is no way on this green Earth that GNR were EVER the biggest band in the world. Ever.

Chula Vista · 01-02-2016, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Basil C. Thurston III

They were the biggest band in the WORLD for a 5 year period- nobody came close to touching them, and a couple of generations call them "their" Led Zeppelin.

A couple of generations? Turn the hyperbole down son. I could take your post apart in a bunch of other ways, but I'll give you a pass.

And do you really understand just how insanely huge Led Zeppelin was long before there was an MTV hype machine?

IvanMC · 01-02-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Basil C. Thurston III

Thal is indeed a great, great guitar player but I think he is truly satisfied with doing his own thing and being a hired gun from time to time. His wife is a physician, so he doesn't need the money, lol.
As for GNR in '92, sure, they were firing on all cylinders back then, the apex of their stardom. But also consider that you can see that in almost every single band that has ever existed- that climb, the apex, that decline- they never last forever, they don't always keep getting better and things fall apart much of the time. If you could have seen the Crosby, Stills & Nash I did in the early 70s compared to the one today, you'd think they were different bands. Neil Young/ Crazy Horse was phenomenal in the 80s, not so much this last tour. And if you saw Springsteen in '76 like I did, well, you might shake your head at today's Bruce. it's nature at work, and nature isn't always kind.
Black Sabbath in 2015 wasn't anything close to it in 1975. But I went because it was Black Sabbath!

Flawless appreciation, Basil C. Thurston III ! 100% in agreement. It would be pleasantly surprising if GNR made a new and first-class album. Literally first-class. I might have lost the plot entirely, but I think "Chinese Democracy" is a very good album! So, they could make some effort and write good songs again. However, we know that's probably not ever going to happen.
Black Sabbath: my favourite band - ever. I can listen to "The Writ" or "Laguna Sunrise" or "Snowblind" after so many years and still feel as good as a baby in its cradle.
Black Sabbath:

Basil C. Thurston III · 01-03-2016, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

A couple of generations? Turn the hyperbole down son. I could take your post apart in a bunch of other ways, but I'll give you a pass.

And do you really understand just how insanely huge Led Zeppelin was long before there was an MTV hype machine?

GNR was popular with both the (later) 80s and (early)90s generations, hence my comment. I was not speaking of "twenty years". As Appetite came out in '87, and their success translated through the mid-90s, it's a fair statement., with not a trace of 'hyperbole"...

Yes, I know how huge Zep was- I lived through it. Feel free to "take apart" my post, if that's your thing. But read my post again before you do- I was not comparing Zeppelin to GNR in any fashion, I was using them as a standard of popularity level, i.e. the biggest band in the world during their apex of popularity. And for those that question that, tell me who WAS the biggest band from 1987 to, say, 1993. And someone will say Nirvana, and I'll say you'd better research it first, lol...

Chula Vista · 01-03-2016, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Basil C. Thurston III

I was not comparing Zeppelin to GNR in any fashion, I was using them as a standard of popularity level, i.e. the biggest band in the world during their apex of popularity.

My apologies. You're 100% right. In hindsight, I shouldn't have lumped you in with those who don't understand the subtleties of these types of "best of" discussions.

G&R were ****ing HUGE after Appetite sunk in with the masses. Not to mention, as a guitarist, it was kinda cool to hear an LP straight into a Marshall after all of the super processed **** that pre-dated it.

Again, I'm sorry for being a judgmental dick.

Welcome to MB!

The Batlord · 01-03-2016, 12:33 AM

But was anything GNR did after Appetite in '87 as big as Nevermind in '91? I've certainly never heard the Use Your Illusion albums spoken of in the same not-so-hushed tones.

So after the eighties, wouldn't they have been been replaced by Nirvana and Pearl Jam, even if they were still relatively equally popular?

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