Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

+1 I never understood the love for Winger. I also feel Reb was overhyped. Just because you are on the cover of Guitar Magazine doesn't give you a pass. Winger was worse then Whitesnake and that takes a special kind of band to be that awful.

Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

They very well could have been. They imploded just when their popularity was shooting out of the atmosphere. The only thing stopping them from ruling the charts, stadiums and arena's the world 'round at that time, was their attitudes toward one another and substance abuse. They were pretty big when they broke up. Can't deny it.

But surely they wouldn't have been the biggest band, or ever were. I agree. I'm just saying that they did well back then.

Originally Posted by Basil C. Thurston III

So you hate GNR but you came to a GNR reunion thread to wax poetic about Winger? Makes sense, lol.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

That’s interesting because I always felt that Winger’s popularity had more to do with Kip Winger’s good looks than anything else. I’ve likewise never liked Winger and always rated them not just below Guns ’n’ Roses, but below Motley Crue and even Poison, down in Warrant/Cinderella territory. Winger may well have been more skilled with their instruments—though not to a degree that makes them interesting to listen to for me—but to me their songwriting is not even close to Guns ’n’ Roses. And being able to produce good music is ultimately the talent I care about with musicians.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Maybe. Who knows? At least the sound engineer would have something to work with. I never said it's impossible to do a bad version of a good song.

Originally Posted by SatoshiNak

Winger...I could never stand that band and it wasn't until I started posting on the guitar forums I found there are more than a few that really dig the band, mostly due to Reb's playing. I can't knock the dude's playing, but it is Winger for ****'s sake! Stewart from Beavis and Butthead rocked a Winger shirt hahaha! Another thing that really led to my dislike was hearing Reb talk much crap in several interviews about Kirk Hammett due to the video of Lars, darts, and a Winger poster in the Nothing Else Matters video - Kirk has always come across as a really laid-back person and hearing Reb trash his playing was just pathetic coming from a dude who poofed his hair-up and played on such crap as Seventeen. That and ol' Kip making the ridiculous comment " I’ll ****ing challenge those chumps to a fight any day of the week, but we could play their music with our hands tied behind our back. "

Originally Posted by Plankton

I never said you did either. My point being that "TALENT" is often a misguided concept.

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Its gonna remain lost on me. I find alot of the technique with two handed tapping to be boring and its all been done. I'd link Paul Gilbert as a better guitarist if I was to remain in the same genre of over technical players. I always preferred Tony Macalpine to all these guys being talked about. I think we have kind of got away from the original intent of the thread however as GNR really were never about technique and all about straight forward rock n roll.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree. In fact, that was my point.

Originally Posted by Plankton

Read back a few pages Mr. Smarty Pants.

Originally Posted by Plankton

Well then how'd you miss the point that GnR aren't that talented?