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Old 12-08-2015, 06:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Chuck has the right to have becoming awful to the point of self parody, I guess. Reputation doesn't mean much to me--when someone puts on a ****ty show, they put on a ****ty show. Whether they, uh, earned it, isn't taken into account.
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Here's five who I think are better and more influential in the rock realm.
Keith Moon
Billy Cobham
Bill Bruford
Carl Palmer
Jim Gordon





Chuck Berry damn near invented the whole genre of "rock" music. If he hasn't earned the right to play until he drops dead on stage then I don't know who has.
If anyone should be called overrate it's Keith Moon. Loonie Moonie acts like such a smacked ass, and plays the same **** over and over on drums. Moonie might influential (no accounting for taste or talent) for some drummer, but besides acting like a lunatic he doesn't really bring anything new or important to the art of drumming. Roger Daltrey seems decent as front man singer/performer, but the rest of The Who are bunch of megalomaniac making a horrible racket. It seems that people are willing to listen to bad rubbish just to hear Roger sing.

Bill Bruford and Carl Palmer are favorites of mine but I wouldn't rank them higher than Neil. Jim Gordon suffers from Schizophrenia and is in jail.

My favorite drummers, but I'm not ranking them higher than Neil Peart, I don't see them as better, just having different approaches to the art of drumming.

Elvin Jones
Jo Jones
Gene Krupa
Joe Morello
Mel Taylor
Ringo Starr
Charlie Watts
Hal Blaine
Mitch Mitchell
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John Bonham
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Phil Collins/Chester Thompson
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:32 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Here's five who I think are better and more influential in the rock realm.
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Carl Palmer
Jim Gordon
Cobham? Name me 10 ROCK drummers who site him as a major influence. Same with Palmer and Bruford. Moon is definitely in my top 5 for 70s rock. Gordan seems so out of place considering the other's you've named.

PS: Cobham and Bruford are ****ing titans in my book.
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Cobham? Name me 10 ROCK drummers who site him as a major influence. Same with Palmer and Bruford. Moon is definitely in my top 5 for 70s rock. Gordan seems so out of place considering the other's you've named.

PS: Cobham and Bruford are ****ing titans in my book.
Wha...? Gordon played on Pet Sounds by The Beach Boys, Traffic's Low Sparks of High Heel Boys, George Harrison's All Things Must Pass and Derek and the Domino's Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs. So he has the credentials and is a worthy mention.


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Old 12-09-2015, 01:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The dude's a solid icon, but game changing influencial? Nope.
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The dude's a solid icon, but game changing influencial? Nope.
I guess you didn't hear those albums I mentioned that Gordon played on cause they're not by Led Zeppelin? Maybe you should expand your horizons a little, there is music beyond Led Zeppelin and The Who.

I think it's a shame that Neil Peart gets called "very overrated" in a thread about him. And then to top it off not give any respect to Gordon cause he was a sessions drummer so he couldn't possibly be influential. I guess he learned everything from Half Elaine but how to influential, what a shame. Hal Blaine may not be a household name either, but because people don't know him doesn't make him less important as a drummer.

Traffic is my band. I always loved the drumming on Traffic albums. When Jim Calpaldi switched from drums to perc, Gordon stepped in as drummer. Either of them could do more with a small basic drum kit than most drummer can do with a larger kit with a dozen or more pieces. In fact more drums doesn't mean a better drummer, imho Mo Tucker and Slim Jim Phantom are better drummers than Keith Moon.
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I guess you didn't hear those albums I mentioned that Gordon played on cause they're not by Led Zeppelin?
The Zeppelin comeback has gotten ridiculously stale. I'm very familiar with Gordon and his work. Extremely solid drummer who knew how to play for the song as good as anyone.

Just don't think he fits alongside guys like Cobham, Moon, Bruford, and Palmer as far as wide ranging influence goes IMO.
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All this hoopla, and no mention of Terry Bozzio? Or, how about some Buddy Rich for an influential drummer.
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All this hoopla, and no mention of Terry Bozzio? Or, how about some Buddy Rich for an influential drummer.
We're talkin more about rock drummers. Terry Bozzio definitely qualifies though.
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We're talkin more about rock drummers. Terry Bozzio definitely qualifies though.
Buddy Rich was a huge influence on Peart, so there's that.
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