Rock Album Survivor

JGuy Grungeman · 04-15-2016, 11:49 AM

Rock and Roll is different from blues rock and rhythm and blues. I'm just trying to stay truthful. I don't care about other people's votes for this round and I'm well aware most people may counteract mine. Still, that's not stopping my vote.

The Batlord · 04-15-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Rock and Roll is different from blues rock and rhythm and blues. I'm just trying to stay truthful. I don't care about other people's votes for this round and I'm well aware most people may counteract mine. Still, that's not stopping my vote.

Those genres were pretty incestuous back then, so to draw such hard lines is kind of arbitrary. It's not like we're talking about Disraeli Gears or Led Zeppelin I. We're talking about Aftermath and The Animals.

I feel like our constant, genre classification slug matches are becoming one of the few consistent things about this site that's actually about music.

**Frownland** · 04-15-2016, 12:08 PM

Elvis Presley
The Who
The Yardbirds
Bo Diddley

JGuy Grungeman · 04-15-2016, 12:17 PM

I'm just saying, I played that music, I got the same feeling or vibes that I got from rock and roll only a couple times. =And like I said. I don't care about how genres were classified back then. This is today, and genre terms are more decisive, even if they are still vague. But either way, albums had a lot of labels back then and that's just disorganized. Rock and roll was more of a "term" for a scene consisting of many rock and pop and even country bands. Not very decisive. I already have an idea of what rock and roll means to me and I'll vote on whether they fit the bill or not, despite your objections. I never said anyone had to agree with me, but I would appreciate it if the only four people who are consistent on this thread do not hound me.

Like I said, I don't really care who wins. Rock and Roll is cool, but I don't have any high hopes for most of the rounds.

Also, using Disraeli Gears and Led Zeppelin aren't exactly fair because Disraeli Gears was a major influence in psychedelic music and Led Zeppelin helped pioneer hard rock and heavy metal.

**Frownland** · 04-15-2016, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

I'm just saying, I played that music, I got the same feeling or vibes that I got from rock and roll only a couple times. =And like I said. I don't care about how genres were classified back then. This is today, and genre terms are more decisive, even if they are still vague. But either way, albums had a lot of labels back then and that's just disorganized. Rock and roll was more of a "term" for a scene consisting of many rock and pop and even country bands. Not very decisive. I already have an idea of what rock and roll means to me and I'll vote on whether they fit the bill or not, despite your objections. I never said anyone had to agree with me, but I would appreciate it if the only four people who are consistent on this thread do not hound me.

Like I said, I don't really care who wins. Rock and Roll is cool, but I don't have any high hopes for most of the rounds.

Also, using Disraeli Gears and Led Zeppelin aren't exactly fair because Disraeli Gears was a major influence in psychedelic music and Led Zeppelin helped pioneer hard rock and heavy metal.

The Batlord · 04-15-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

I'm just saying, I played that music, I got the same feeling or vibes that I got from rock and roll only a couple times. =And like I said. I don't care about how genres were classified back then. This is today, and genre terms are more decisive, even if they are still vague. But either way, albums had a lot of labels back then and that's just disorganized. Rock and roll was more of a "term" for a scene consisting of many rock and pop and even country bands. Not very decisive. I already have an idea of what rock and roll means to me and I'll vote on whether they fit the bill or not, despite your objections. I never said anyone had to agree with me, but I would appreciate it if the only four people who are consistent on this thread do not hound me.

Like I said, I don't really care who wins. Rock and Roll is cool, but I don't have any high hopes for most of the rounds.

Also, using Disraeli Gears and Led Zeppelin aren't exactly fair because Disraeli Gears was a major influence in psychedelic music and Led Zeppelin helped pioneer hard rock and heavy metal.

Where would the fun be in that?

JGuy Grungeman · 04-15-2016, 12:26 PM

Is it mental gymnastics or is it not being stuck in a past I wasn't born or living in? That's the difference. Your trolling doesn't really make a good argument as it is just trolling.

**Frownland** · 04-15-2016, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Is it mental gymnastics or is it not being stuck in a past I wasn't born or living in? That's the difference. Your trolling doesn't really make a good argument as it is just trolling.

Rock 'n roll as a genre is a part of that past that refers to the early rockets so yes, applying modern standards to them because "that's just not how it is anymore" is stupid. Also I'm sorry that you've fallen back on the battle cry of "everyone who disagrees with me is trolling."

JGuy Grungeman · 04-15-2016, 12:33 PM

Well, if it's a common topic, then I wouldn't feel comfortable on the thread, probably on the site. Also, Technic has gone through enough ****, so I suggest if you want to troll me you choose a separate thread. Am I setting myself up for something? Maybe. But we should at least keep it peaceful on a thread ran by a guy who seems to be quite stressed.

The Batlord · 04-15-2016, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Well, if it's a common topic, then I wouldn't feel comfortable on the thread, probably on the site. Also, Technic has gone through enough ****, so I suggest if you want to troll me you choose a separate thread. Am I setting myself up for something? Maybe. But we should at least keep it peaceful on a thread ran by a guy who seems to be quite stressed.

I'm not trolling you. I legitimately disagree with you on just about every genre classification grudge match we have, and for some reason I enjoy the discussions, even if we just end up frustrated with each other. My debate style just isn't particularly reserved. I believe that if you tone down your rhetoric then your argument is probably going to suffer by being more concerned with making nice. It's nothing personal, I'm just bombastic by nature, even when I'm being serious.

04-15-2016, 11:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Rock and Roll is different from blues rock and rhythm and blues. I'm just trying to stay truthful. I don't care about other people's votes for this round and I'm well aware most people may counteract mine. Still, that's not stopping my vote. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-15-2016, 12:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Elvis Presley The Who The Yardbirds Bo Diddley __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-15-2016, 12:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I'm just saying, I played that music, I got the same feeling or vibes that I got from rock and roll only a couple times. =And like I said. I don't care about how genres were classified back then. This is today, and genre terms are more decisive, even if they are still vague. But either way, albums had a lot of labels back then and that's just disorganized. Rock and roll was more of a "term" for a scene consisting of many rock and pop and even country bands. Not very decisive. I already have an idea of what rock and roll means to me and I'll vote on whether they fit the bill or not, despite your objections. I never said anyone had to agree with me, but I would appreciate it if the only four people who are consistent on this thread do not hound me. Like I said, I don't really care who wins. Rock and Roll is cool, but I don't have any high hopes for most of the rounds. Also, using Disraeli Gears and Led Zeppelin aren't exactly fair because Disraeli Gears was a major influence in psychedelic music and Led Zeppelin helped pioneer hard rock and heavy metal. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-15-2016, 12:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Is it mental gymnastics or is it not being stuck in a past I wasn't born or living in? That's the difference. Your trolling doesn't really make a good argument as it is just trolling. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-15-2016, 12:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Well, if it's a common topic, then I wouldn't feel comfortable on the thread, probably on the site. Also, Technic has gone through enough ****, so I suggest if you want to troll me you choose a separate thread. Am I setting myself up for something? Maybe. But we should at least keep it peaceful on a thread ran by a guy who seems to be quite stressed. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.