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Old 01-29-2016, 02:21 PM   #511 (permalink)
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Well, I avoided albums that were both post-punk and art pnuk and I avoided using most of the same bands. The two would be too similar.
Ah, ok. By this logic The Fall maybe woudn't be eligible either but w/e, I'm not complaining.
In this case though, would Technic mind putting in Vs. as my suggestion for the wild card list?

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It's just a way for punk posers to fit in more categories that's all.
As TLP is the one who suggested there be an art punk list in the first place and he is after all running this thread, I don't see your justification for calling him or anyone else a poser...
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Old 01-29-2016, 02:24 PM   #512 (permalink)
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As TLP is the one who suggested there be an art punk list in the first place and he is after all running this thread, I don't see your justification for calling him or anyone else a poser...
No need to take everything literally.
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Old 01-29-2016, 02:59 PM   #513 (permalink)
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Old 01-29-2016, 04:11 PM   #514 (permalink)
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Old 01-29-2016, 06:49 PM   #515 (permalink)
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First off, Art Punk is now created, and there's an open slot on Proto-Punk.
Second, Post-Punk Revival is up there, with one empty slot (because I added Savages' "Silence Yourself".

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It's not like proto-punk is a real genre with a defined sound. It's just a bunch of bands that were somewhere on the path to punk, and Television were a direct link in the chain.
However, Television's debut album represents very well the post-punk sound, moving away from the sound of many Proto-Punk bands, which in general are more Garage-y. Plus, this was a very innovative album. Up until Marquee Moon was released, there was no artsy experimental punk album. Even The Idiot came out after Marquee. Based on those merits, I'm going to take it off of Proto-Punk. There's just too much different between most of Proto-Punk and Marquee Moon.

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I would consider Pere Ubu's The Modern Dance and Mission of Burma's Vs. to be pretty essential Art Punk albums that could be contenders for that list. Not sure which of those albums they should (potentially) replace, but for instance, I would say the Talking Heads album is really more of a New Wave album than Art Punk (ftr, I do know wiki has it listed primarily as art punk and new wave secondary, RYM has it the other way around though. Also, I know there is already a Heads album in the New Wave list, so I'm not saying that ':77' should replace it) and you didn't put which Fall album you wanted, though I'm assuming Live at the Witch Trials(?), which is arguably more just post-punk. I realise though, that the lines between these sub-genres are really blurred, that goes for the albums I suggested too. I'll leave it to you guys' best judgement, I guess.
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Vs. is now on the Wild Card list.
I threw Hex Enduction Hour on for The Fall.
And I decided to take '77 off in favor of Pere Ubu, first because '77 is a bit more New Wave, second because we already have two Talking Heads albums, and because Modern Dance is probably the objectively better LP.
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Post-punk is a slower and more atmospheric form of rock music that borrows elements from punk rock, while art punk is literally an artsy form of punk. I can always tell the difference between the two, but art punk is less restricted than post-punk.
So we're putting post-punk and "art punk" into restrictive boxes, now? That defeats the entire purpose of the exercise. I'm sure if the post-punks were reading this they'd throw their instruments into a river out of frustration at being pigeon-holed. You can't call post-punk a defined genre when it includes bands like Gang of Four, PiL, Wire, Joy Division, and not to mention the No Wave scene. You've completely missed the point of what post-punk even is.

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However, Television's debut album represents very well the post-punk sound, moving away from the sound of many Proto-Punk bands, which in general are more Garage-y. Plus, this was a very innovative album. Up until Marquee Moon was released, there was no artsy experimental punk album. Even The Idiot came out after Marquee. Based on those merits, I'm going to take it off of Proto-Punk. There's just too much different between most of Proto-Punk and Marquee Moon.
The second half of Fun House, Velvet Underground, Suicide (proto-punk without guitars), Patti Smith, and I'm sure many others. And again, post-punk doesn't really have a sound, so how could Television represent it? You're showing a simplistic view of both proto- and post-punk.
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post-punk doesn't really have a sound


So, why does it sound like a punk infuenced style of rock with less restriction and deeper emotional content and more atmosphere?
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"Post punk refers to music that draws inspiration from elements of punk (such as its provocation, musical urgency, or DIY approach) while moving beyond its sonic and conceptual boundaries, and affiliations."
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"Post punk refers to music that draws inspiration from elements of punk (such as its provocation, musical urgency, or DIY approach) while moving beyond its sonic and conceptual boundaries, and affiliations."
Exactly. Post-Punk does have a sound. You wouldn't even confuse a POst-Punk album with a classic Punk album like Ramones or The Clash.
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That goes directly against the last part of that which says "moving beyond its sonic and conceptual boundaries and affiliations." You're putting an uncageable animal in a box.
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