Rock Album Survivor

The Batlord · 09-23-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

@Suicide I also don't know them well enough. I think Suicide is definitely No Wave, but just one of the first ones. Mars was recording around '77 as well. Unfortunately, there probably just isn't enough space for them on the list. Keep them in mind for the Wild Card list.

Suicide were around since '71 or '72 I believe, so they predate the **** out of no wave. And if they played guitars there wouldn't even be a question about them being proto-punk. I'd definitely dump Radio Birdman, Death, or the Heartbreakers for Suicide. I'm also sad at the loss of Pere Ubu for post-punk. Is The Idiot really a post-punk album?

grindy · 09-23-2015, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I thought you meant United States of America the group, not whatever the hell you're talking about. I didn't see the pre-edit list.

This.
Stop using acronyms, YSMAMF.

Pet_Sounds · 09-23-2015, 05:29 PM

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This.
Stop using acronyms, YSMAMF.

FFS, I used italics, indicating an AT. U2 need to quit JTC.

TechnicLePanther · 09-23-2015, 06:03 PM

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1. I don't know why I put the Stooges self-titled album in blues rock, as Funhouse is both better and more bluesy. Definitely should be replaced. I'd put The Stooges somewhere in garage rock. Don't know what I'd take off though, since I've forgotten about half of those bands.

2. Is alternative rock even a useful genre descriptor? It's more an umbrella term. Indie rock too, but at least there's a stereotype for what it sounds like. Alt rock is just useless.

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A lot of what passed for grunge back in the day was just some form of alt rock that may or may not have been from Seattle. Grunge rock was really just slow-to-mid-paced down hardcore, heavy on the distortion (Nirvana, Tad, early Soundgarden, Melvins, Mudhoney).

Pearl Jam were a band formed by two ex-grunge band members who didn't want to play grunge anymore and just wanted to indulge their hard-on for classic rock. If anything, I'd actually call them a post-grunge band: they were moving past grunge, and they share FAR more musically in common with post-grunge bands than actual grunge ones. Same with Stone Temple Pilots. Not to mention Temple of the Dog.

I'm not going to argue with Soundgarden and Screaming Trees, since they were actual grunge bands, even if by Superunknown and Dust they were pretty much past or moving past that sound.

You also need to add Tad's 8-Way Santa. Considering how much you need to drop, that shouldn't be a problem, but if you insist on ignoring my vast wisdom, then I'd drop Temple of the Dog like a bad habit.

I started that thread in January and we've only covered half of the genres (literally 10 out of 20). I try to do 2 days per round, making a 10 album battle last 20 days at least. So it's going to go on well into next year, even if I shorten a few of the battles. And then of course there will be the final battle between all of the winning albums...

1. I put Funhouse on Blues Rock, and I took off the Troggs for the Stooges. I just think The Troggs had "Wild Thing", and that was their only claim to fame. Plus, I can't even find a full edition of From Nowhere somewhere.

2. Take a band like Radiohead or The Smashing Pumpkins, who don't really fit into any other category. That's why Alternative Rock is a useful term.

3. This is kind of a controversial decision, as like the whole situation with punk, grunge vs. post-grunge is a time-based sort of thing. However, purely based on their sound, I've moved Ten and Purple over to the post-grunge list, and I moved Temple of the Dog and Superunknown to the Alternative Rock list, replacing the latter with Badmotorfinger. I swapped Dust for Uncle Anesthesia. And I put Tad on the list. Please inundate me with more suggestions. Also, I will actively look for more albums for this one, so we can close it up.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Suicide were around since '71 or '72 I believe, so they predate the **** out of no wave. And if they played guitars there wouldn't even be a question about them being proto-punk. I'd definitely dump Radio Birdman, Death, or the Heartbreakers for Suicide. I'm also sad at the loss of Pere Ubu for post-punk. Is The Idiot really a post-punk album?

There self-titled album, however, was released in '77. Just sayin'. If everyone's in agreement about Suicide, however, I'll stick 'em on the list. And yes, The Idiot is definitely post-punk. Sorry. Keep Pere Ubu in mind for the Wild Card.

Something I just thought of: Do we want to call Days of the New II folk rock or post-grunge?

The Batlord · 09-23-2015, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

1. I put Funhouse on Blues Rock, and I took off the Troggs for the Stooges. I just think The Troggs had "Wild Thing", and that was their only claim to fame. Plus, I can't even find a full edition of From Nowhere somewhere.

TBH, I think the only reason I put them there was because almost all of the bands I had were some kind of garage punk or garage rock revival band. Garage rock kinda sucked at first.

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2. Take a band like Radiohead or The Smashing Pumpkins, who don't really fit into any other category. That's why Alternative Rock is a useful term.

Fair. I only hope that you'll find enough "alternative rock" bands that you can remove the Smashing Pumpkins.

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3. This is kind of a controversial decision, as like the whole situation with punk, grunge vs. post-grunge is a time-based sort of thing. However, purely based on their sound, I've moved Ten and Purple over to the post-grunge list, and I moved Temple of the Dog and Superunknown to the Alternative Rock list, replacing the latter with Badmotorfinger. I swapped Dust for Uncle Anesthesia. And I put Tad on the list. Please inundate me with more suggestions. Also, I will actively look for more albums for this one, so we can close it up.

I'd have kept Soundgarden at least. They may have been injecting some serious classic rock into their sound, but there was enough grunge there up until the end for them to qualify. Screaming Trees much less so, but I wouldn't change their album based solely on genre relevancy. I haven't listened to them in a while, but if Dust is their best album, then it should stay.

Also, lol @ ****ing over Pearl Jam. **** that band.

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There self-titled album, however, was released in '77. Just sayin'. If everyone's in agreement about Suicide, however, I'll stick 'em on the list.

All the other first wave no wave bands started around '77, after getting tired of punk, whereas Suicide started half a decade earlier cause they thought Iggy Pop and the VU were cool. Album release dates can tell a misleading story.

TechnicLePanther · 09-23-2015, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

1. Fair. I only hope that you'll find enough "alternative rock" bands that you can remove the Smashing Pumpkins.

2. I'd have kept Soundgarden at least. They may have been injecting some serious classic rock into their sound, but there was enough grunge there up until the end for them to qualify. Screaming Trees much less so, but I wouldn't change their album based solely on genre relevancy. I haven't listened to them in a while, but if Dust is their best album, then it should stay.

Also, lol @ ****ing over Pearl Jam. **** that band.

3. All the other first wave no wave bands started around '77, after getting tired of punk, whereas Suicide started half a decade earlier cause they thought Iggy Pop and the VU were cool. Album release dates can tell a misleading story.

1. I like the Smashing Pumpkins, and I think a lot of other people do too, so they're staying.

2. Genre relevancy is everything to these psychos, I gotta keep these as genre-relevant as possible.

3. I'd argue that their sound is more important than the time period in this case. Also, the fight is about the album, not the band.

TechnicLePanther · 09-23-2015, 08:15 PM

If we decide on them, are people here willing to call Primus rock? They could fit on a lot of lists, so they probably wouldn't take up the place of another really good album. Also, I'm working on a Gothic Rock list. Tell me what you think of it.

The Batlord · 09-23-2015, 08:39 PM

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3. I'd argue that their sound is more important than the time period in this case. Also, the fight is about the album, not the band.

I still wouldn't really call Suicide (band or album) no wave. No wave doesn't really have a unified sound, but they all seem to use dissonance in one form or another, whereas Suicide don't really. They really do sound a lot like punk with synthesizers.

Also...

1. You now have the Stooges self-titled in garage rock and blues rock.

2. STP were post-grunge from album one, so I don't think they belong in grunge at all.

3. As far as alt rock, I'd replace REM's Murmur with Automatic for the People, and throw in either Tim or Let It Be by The Replacements. And Violent Femmes' Hallowed Ground (assuming you don't throw in some kind of country rock list).

4. I think it's pretty commonly agreed upon that Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation is their classic, not Goo.

TechnicLePanther · 09-24-2015, 04:54 PM

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I still wouldn't really call Suicide (band or album) no wave. No wave doesn't really have a unified sound, but they all seem to use dissonance in one form or another, whereas Suicide don't really. They really do sound a lot like punk with synthesizers.

Also...

1. You now have the Stooges self-titled in garage rock and blues rock.

2. STP were post-grunge from album one, so I don't think they belong in grunge at all.

3. As far as alt rock, I'd replace REM's Murmur with Automatic for the People, and throw in either Tim or Let It Be by The Replacements. And Violent Femmes' Hallowed Ground (assuming you don't throw in some kind of country rock list).

4. I think it's pretty commonly agreed upon that Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation is their classic, not Goo.

1. Fixed. Sorry.

2. Core was definitely grunge in my eyes. Plus, we're out of albums for it anyways.

3. Murmur is just the better album IMO, Tim is really good, and also fits the genre. and Hallowed Ground is going in folk rock instead.

4. I decided to let Sonic Youth on to three lists, just because of their broad range of work.

Not talking directly to Batty:

1. I don't think there's enough Funk Rock out there to constitute a full list. We could do with pushing out Funkadelic, but we'd certainly have to make room for RHCP on another list. For now, I'm going to go with this, unless someone strongly objects. And that person would have to come up with a list for it as well.

2. There are a few more minor changes to the list. I noticed some things that seemed needed to be squeezed in, so I did my best.

EDIT- Post-Grunge suggestion:

Also, I've scraped together a Hard Rock list. Let me know what you guys think. Also, I can probably find stuff, but I may want to put some of the albums on this list on the Blues Rock list. I'll keep you posted.

The Batlord · 09-25-2015, 03:03 PM

Alright, I know I said doing metal genres was redundant, but I took some of the more sub-sub-genres out just because I already had so many genres going, and doing some of them while also doing the sub-genres they were a part of seemed redundant, but I'm drunk and I like the idea of doing niche genres that I skipped over, like crossover thrash and... well I'm listening to Nuclear Assault so that's where I'm at right now. Do whatever, but...

1. Nuclear Assault - Game Over/Survive (either one I guess)
2. D.R.I. - Crossover
3. Stormtroopers of Death - Speak English or Die
4. Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
5. Suicidal Tendencies - How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today
6. GWAR - Scumdogs of the Universe
7. M.O.D. - USA for MOD
8. Corrosion of Conformity - Animosity
9. Vio-lence - Eternal Nightmare
10. Carnivore - Retaliation

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TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	If we decide on them, are people here willing to call Primus rock? They could fit on a lot of lists, so they probably wouldn't take up the place of another really good album. Also, I'm working on a Gothic Rock list. Tell me what you think of it. __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.