JGuy Grungeman

Is Television in proto-punk? Well, I'll see about that. It's fun looking through the lists, anyway.

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JGuy Grungeman

Actually, first, let's take Wire out of post-punk. Wire's Pink Flag is artsy, and not posty. The went into post-punk later on in their career, I think the next album. I think we should replace it with... I've heard some good stuff about Siouxsie and the Banshees, so let's go Juju. Let's do a post-punk revival list as well.

1. Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
2. The National - Boxer
3. Franz Ferninand - Franz Ferninand
4. The Walkmen - Bows + Arrows
5. Editors - The Back Room
6. Bloc party - Silent Alarm
7. The Rapture - Echoes
8. The Sounds - Crossing the Rubicon

And anyone can finish that. As for Art Punk...

1. Television - Marque Moon
2. Wire - Pink Flag
3. Talking Heads - 77
4. The Fall
5. Cardiacs - On Land and in the Sea
6. Public Image Ltd. - First Issue
7. Flipper - Gone Fishin
8. Brainiac - Hissing Prigs in Static Couture
9. Patti Smith Group - Wave
10. MX-80 Sound - Out of the Tunnel

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Frownland

I think you have a little too much confidence in your ability for distinguishing the two. Afer all, you put The Fall, Television, PIL, and Wire on the art punk list when they'e all post punk.

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JGuy Grungeman

But none of their albums are proto-punk. Television was their debut studio album. Slthough, I agree with your point.

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The Batlord

It's not like proto-punk is a real genre with a defined sound. It's just a bunch of bands that were somewhere on the path to punk, and Television were a direct link in the chain.

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JGuy Grungeman

You're right about the sound, and I couldn't agree more. However, I believe the punk scene was really getting started in 77, and that was the year Television, Clash, Sex Pistols, Wire, Talking Heads and many other punk bands came out. Ramones was just starting it in 76, taking the influence and pretty much setting the standards. I suppose punk as a genre was legit in 77 or 76.

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The Batlord

I believe Television predated the Ramones. If memory serves, they were actually the first CBGB's punk band. The only like-minded group before them in New York was Suicide.

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JGuy Grungeman

Punk is creepy. It gives me the seebie-jeebies.

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JGuy Grungeman

Hey, I can make labels for each round. I used to do something similar for another thread series on another site.



But, I still need to know how to make them full size.

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GD

I would consider Pere Ubu's The Modern Dance and Mission of Burma's Vs. to be pretty essential Art Punk albums that could be contenders for that list. Not sure which of those albums they should (potentially) replace, but for instance, I would say the Talking Heads album is really more of a New Wave album than Art Punk (ftr, I do know wiki has it listed primarily as art punk and new wave secondary, RYM has it the other way around though. Also, I know there is already a Heads album in the New Wave list, so I'm not saying that ':77' should replace it) and you didn't put which Fall album you wanted, though I'm assuming Live at the Witch Trials(?), which is arguably more just post-punk. I realise though, that the lines between these sub-genres are really blurred, that goes for the albums I suggested too. I'll leave it to you guys' best judgement, I guess.
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