Rock Album Survivor

Pet_Sounds · 09-23-2015, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Dude, tell me what to get rid of. We can only have ten albums per list. We had too many psychedelic rock albums, and Forever Changes is almost more folk than psychedelic. I wanted to include it, so I put it on the folk rock list.

Scratch USA and move Forever Changes--the former is more prog than psych. I can come up with lists for folk rock and neo-psychedelia if you like.

TechnicLePanther · 09-23-2015, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Scratch USA and move Forever Changes--the former is more prog than psych. I can come up with lists for folk rock and neo-psychedelia if you like.

That would be awesome. I need as much help as I can get. Also, I really want to slip A Wizard, A True Star in there. What should I get rid of if I do?

grindy · 09-23-2015, 10:01 AM

Perhaps we should put some Zeuhl and AvantProg/RIO albums in the experimental rock category?
I'd be all for them being their own categories, but then again those are fairly obscure genres with a limited fanbase.

**Frownland** · 09-23-2015, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Todd Rundgren - A Wizard, A True Star

For the psychedelic list, no question. What do we get rid of?

EDIT- I was also thinking we could do with some neo-psychedelia. Maybe MGMT's first album?

Also, I've decided to bring the hammer down with No New York. We just had too many No Wave albums. Suicide and The Birthday Party also got cut. Let me know if you have any specific suggestions. Don't just say, "Put x on the list." Say, "Put x on the list, and remove y."

I think we should take Lounge Lizards off of the list and put The Birthday Party back on.

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Scratch USA and move Forever Changes--the former is more prog than psych. I can come up with lists for folk rock and neo-psychedelia if you like.

USA is most certainly not prog, my misguided young friend. It could take the place of The Kinks imo. We should also put Sgt. Peppers instead of Revolver given that it's more consistently psychedelic.

**Goofle** · 09-23-2015, 10:49 AM

Have we decided on a genre yet? Or are we just filling up the lists?

Pet_Sounds · 09-23-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

That would be awesome. I need as much help as I can get. Also, I really want to slip A Wizard, A True Star in there. What should I get rid of if I do?

You could cut Fifty Foot Hose, but I think The United States of America's s/t would fill its spot better.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

USA is most certainly not prog, my misguided young friend. It could take the place of The Kinks imo. We should also put Sgt. Peppers instead of Revolver given that it's more consistently psychedelic.

I guess I've just never considered King Crimson psych. Is that where you'd categorize them?

Revolver is a better album imo, but that's a valid point.

**Frownland** · 09-23-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

You could cut Fifty Foot Hose, but I think The United States of America's s/t would fill its spot better.

I guess I've just never considered King Crimson psych. Is that where you'd categorize them?

Revolver is a better album imo, but that's a valid point.

I thought you meant United States of America the group, not whatever the hell you're talking about. I didn't see the pre-edit list.

**Frownland** · 09-23-2015, 02:34 PM

Shall we add Suicide to the proto punk list? They don't really fit under no wave because they came long before it. I don't know all of the albums so I can't say which one to throw off.

TechnicLePanther · 09-23-2015, 02:36 PM

I'm not gonna take USA, as it's a live album, and 21st Century Schizoid Man would then be represented twice. It just seems a bit unfair to me.

Sgt Peppers is now where Revolver was. Also, I took The Kinks off of the Psych Rock list, as they can fit into Blues or Folk Rock as well. The only question I have is whether The US of A is more experimental than psychedelic. In my eyes, A Wizard, A True Star would pretty much only fit into psych rock, which is why I think it should be put there.
For now, I'm putting A Wizard, A True Star in the 10. slot, but let me know what you guys think of that.

@Suicide I also don't know them well enough. I think Suicide is definitely No Wave, but just one of the first ones. Mars was recording around '77 as well. Unfortunately, there probably just isn't enough space for them on the list. Keep them in mind for the Wild Card list.

EDIT- Another change, I took all of Batty's crust punk picks, and turned them into hardcore punk. Hardcore punk will now include crust punk, anarcho-punk, and d-beat. Anybody who has any suggestions and things to remove ought to let me know about it now.

The Batlord · 09-23-2015, 03:03 PM

1. I don't know why I put the Stooges self-titled album in blues rock, as Funhouse is both better and more bluesy. Definitely should be replaced. I'd put The Stooges somewhere in garage rock. Don't know what I'd take off though, since I've forgotten about half of those bands.

2. Is alternative rock even a useful genre descriptor? It's more an umbrella term. Indie rock too, but at least there's a stereotype for what it sounds like. Alt rock is just useless.

3.

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Grunge

1. Nirvana - Nevermind
2. Pearl Jam - Ten
3. Melvins - Houdini
4. Soundgarden - Superunkown
5. Stone Temple Pilots - Purple
6. Screaming Trees - Dust
7. Alice In Chains - Dirt
8. Temple of the Dog - Temple of the Dog
9. Babes in Toyland - Fontanelle
10. Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff

A lot of what passed for grunge back in the day was just some form of alt rock that may or may not have been from Seattle. Grunge rock was really just slow-to-mid-paced down hardcore, heavy on the distortion (Nirvana, Tad, early Soundgarden, Melvins, Mudhoney).

Pearl Jam were a band formed by two ex-grunge band members who didn't want to play grunge anymore and just wanted to indulge their hard-on for classic rock. If anything, I'd actually call them a post-grunge band: they were moving past grunge, and they share FAR more musically in common with post-grunge bands than actual grunge ones. Same with Stone Temple Pilots. Not to mention Temple of the Dog.

I'm not going to argue with Soundgarden and Screaming Trees, since they were actual grunge bands, even if by Superunknown and Dust they were pretty much past or moving past that sound.

You also need to add Tad's 8-Way Santa. Considering how much you need to drop, that shouldn't be a problem, but if you insist on ignoring my vast wisdom, then I'd drop Temple of the Dog like a bad habit.

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When Metal Album Survivor is done, or before somebody else comes to me with a list, which could happen any time. If you start on it now, you should be good.

I started that thread in January and we've only covered half of the genres (literally 10 out of 20). I try to do 2 days per round, making a 10 album battle last 20 days at least. So it's going to go on well into next year, even if I shorten a few of the battles. And then of course there will be the final battle between all of the winning albums...

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grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	Perhaps we should put some Zeuhl and AvantProg/RIO albums in the experimental rock category? I'd be all for them being their own categories, but then again those are fairly obscure genres with a limited fanbase. __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Shall we add Suicide to the proto punk list? They don't really fit under no wave because they came long before it. I don't know all of the albums so I can't say which one to throw off. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	I'm not gonna take USA, as it's a live album, and 21st Century Schizoid Man would then be represented twice. It just seems a bit unfair to me. Sgt Peppers is now where Revolver was. Also, I took The Kinks off of the Psych Rock list, as they can fit into Blues or Folk Rock as well. The only question I have is whether The US of A is more experimental than psychedelic. In my eyes, A Wizard, A True Star would pretty much only fit into psych rock, which is why I think it should be put there. For now, I'm putting A Wizard, A True Star in the 10. slot, but let me know what you guys think of that. @Suicide I also don't know them well enough. I think Suicide is definitely No Wave, but just one of the first ones. Mars was recording around '77 as well. Unfortunately, there probably just isn't enough space for them on the list. Keep them in mind for the Wild Card list. EDIT- Another change, I took all of Batty's crust punk picks, and turned them into hardcore punk. Hardcore punk will now include crust punk, anarcho-punk, and d-beat. Anybody who has any suggestions and things to remove ought to let me know about it now. __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough. Last edited by TechnicLePanther; 09-23-2015 at 02:49 PM.