Rock Album Survivor

JGuy Grungeman · 01-17-2016, 03:43 PM

Huh.

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/al...n_on_broadway/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/05/...ll-time?page=4
http://www.stereogum.com/1192682/top...hment/genesis/
http://www.thetoptens.com/top-rock-opera-musicals/

Based on my experiences, RYM is really accuarate when it comes to genre voting and an overall consensus.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-17-2016, 03:45 PM

@Tech
My pleasure.

@Bats
I kinda focused on third wave ska. I always saw 2 Tone as closer to the original, and I thought we were making a ska list too. Go ahead and make one of those if you want, but focus more on 2 Tone.

Folk Punk

Andrew Jackson Jihad- People That Can Eat Other People Are the Luckiest People in the World
Against Me!- Gender Dysphoria Blues
Chuck Ragan- Gold Country
Violent Femmes- Violent Femmes
The Pogues- If I Should Fall From Grace With God
Dropkick Murphys- The Meanest of Times
Flogging Molly- Drunken Lullabies
Cousin Boneless- Trash Masquerade
The Front Bottoms- The Front Bottoms
Titus Adronicus- The Monitor

Tristan_Geoff · 01-17-2016, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Huh.

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/al...n_on_broadway/

Based on my experiences, RYM is really accuarate when it comes to genre voting.

For the most part, but those guys are *******s. They reported my drum n bass tag for Blackstar. The DnB on that album is undeniable, I mean really. A few other obvious primary/secondary genres are downvoted for no reason, like Flatliners' Destroy to Create having hardcore leanings or even I Was Afraid with shoegaze.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-17-2016, 03:50 PM

Did you check the other three links?

And.
http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-la...y-mw0000650187

They call it a "massive rock opera." this isn't to say it is a rock opera and everyone should believe it, but it is widely accepted as a legitimate rock opera because it does in fact tell a story. It's confusing, but it is indeed a prog album.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-17-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Did you check the other three links?

I'm not really talking about that album in particular, but sometimes voters can be really dense.

Edit: Isn't rock opera=concept album?

Also, are we going to have a survivor survivor thread at the end of all these to choose MB's most loved album? We have the Rock, Metal, and Pop ones so far. I feel like at some point we should organize the other genres into one too. And theoretically, we vote for a winner of each thread after all the individual genres have been gone through? I realize this is long-term but just wondering.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-17-2016, 04:00 PM

I agree with Batty that we could just label the rock opera section "Rock Opera/Concept Album." But I don't know if Tech's up for that.

Trollheart · 01-17-2016, 04:04 PM

All I can tell you is that I read Peter Gabriel's biography, and nowhere when he spoke about The Lamb did he refer to it as a rock opera. And he wrote the damn thing.

Anyway I thought you wanted to drop this? Throwing a load of links at me after I've said **** it do what you want is a little like kicking someone when they're down, is it not? Stuff your links. I grew up with that album and nobody I know has ever called it a rock opera. But, you know, you do you and I'll do me.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-17-2016, 04:11 PM

Will you please calm down? The only reason I brought it back up was because people's stress seemed to tone down. You're the only one really getting agitated at something so small as a genre label. I don't care if it gets on the rock opera list or not. I just find it pointless to go through all of this arguing over one list, so I threw in my two sense when people started "discussing" again instead of "arguing." If you're as old as you say you are, then shouldn't you try to be a little more adult about this? I don't care how old you are, becase I spend a lot of time actually studying these things. I've done school reprts on music, I run a grunge wiki database, and I'm part of a rock based wiki, and you're the first person I've ever met who's ever said it wasn't a rock opera. You said you've never heard someone refer to it as that, but given you're history it almost seems like you've never really taken the time to discuss rock operas until recently.

Oh, yeah. And the links weren't specifically aimed towards you. Now you're telling me I'm still trying to argue, when that's not the case.

Trollheart · 01-17-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Will you please calm down? The only reason I brought it back up was because people's stress seemed to tone down. You're the only one really getting agitated at something so small as a genre label. I don't care if it gets on the rock opera list or not. I just find it pointless to go through all of this arguing over one list, so I threw in my two sense when people started "discussing" again instead of "arguing." If you're as old as you say you are, then shouldn't you try to be a little more adult about this? I don't care how old you are, becase I spend a lot of time actually studying these things. I've done school reprts on music, I run a grunge wiki database, and I'm part of a rock based wiki, and you're the first person I've ever met who's ever said it wasn't a rock opera. You said you've never heard someone refer to it as that, but given you're history it almost seems like you've never really taken the time to discuss rock operas until recently.

Oh, yeah. And the links weren't specifically aimed towards you. Now you're telling me I'm still trying to argue, when that's not the case.

I don't need to calm down. I'm perfectly calm. I was, once again, just giving my opinion, since you seemed to be suggesting that RYM is the oracle of all knowledge and therefore you were right. I'm entitled to hold my opinion, and I say none of those albums are rock operas. A rock opera does not have to be a concept album, nor vice versa.

Anyway, I told you I no longer care. You're the one who keeps bringing it up when apparently it had been put to bed, so who's the adult now? I'll certainly respond to anything I feel is directed towards me, and your "Huh" did indeed seem like you were directing that comment at me.

I say again, if the creator of the album doesn't call it a rock opera then it really doesn't matter how many RYM drones do. If you want the subject dropped, just stop bringing it back up.

Tell you what: I'll just leave the thread for now and then we'll see if you can resist the temptation to bring it back up again. Go and do your punk screamo or whatever list, and just let this go.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-17-2016, 04:23 PM

Lol

01-17-2016, 03:43 PM	#381 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Huh. https://rateyourmusic.com/release/al...n_on_broadway/ http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/05/...ll-time?page=4 http://www.stereogum.com/1192682/top...hment/genesis/ http://www.thetoptens.com/top-rock-opera-musicals/ Based on my experiences, RYM is really accuarate when it comes to genre voting and an overall consensus. Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 01-17-2016 at 03:49 PM.

01-17-2016, 04:04 PM	#387 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	All I can tell you is that I read Peter Gabriel's biography, and nowhere when he spoke about The Lamb did he refer to it as a rock opera. And he wrote the damn thing. Anyway I thought you wanted to drop this? Throwing a load of links at me after I've said **** it do what you want is a little like kicking someone when they're down, is it not? Stuff your links. I grew up with that album and nobody I know has ever called it a rock opera. But, you know, you do you and I'll do me. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

01-17-2016, 03:50 PM	#384 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Did you check the other three links? And. http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-la...y-mw0000650187 They call it a "massive rock opera." this isn't to say it is a rock opera and everyone should believe it, but it is widely accepted as a legitimate rock opera because it does in fact tell a story. It's confusing, but it is indeed a prog album.

01-17-2016, 04:00 PM	#386 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I agree with Batty that we could just label the rock opera section "Rock Opera/Concept Album." But I don't know if Tech's up for that.

01-17-2016, 04:11 PM	#388 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Will you please calm down? The only reason I brought it back up was because people's stress seemed to tone down. You're the only one really getting agitated at something so small as a genre label. I don't care if it gets on the rock opera list or not. I just find it pointless to go through all of this arguing over one list, so I threw in my two sense when people started "discussing" again instead of "arguing." If you're as old as you say you are, then shouldn't you try to be a little more adult about this? I don't care how old you are, becase I spend a lot of time actually studying these things. I've done school reprts on music, I run a grunge wiki database, and I'm part of a rock based wiki, and you're the first person I've ever met who's ever said it wasn't a rock opera. You said you've never heard someone refer to it as that, but given you're history it almost seems like you've never really taken the time to discuss rock operas until recently. Oh, yeah. And the links weren't specifically aimed towards you. Now you're telling me I'm still trying to argue, when that's not the case.