Rock Album Survivor

JGuy Grungeman · 01-17-2016, 01:50 PM

Dude, chill. This whole rock opera thing is far too stressful for people, and genres have always been subjective. I don't care what happens, but I think we should just leave it as is. I got angry about Meat Loaf since that album's the whole reaosn I got into albums and music, and it taught me some things about myself. Still, I got upset and that wasn't wise. Trollheart, you can just vote those two off the list when the poll comes. That's what I'm doing with some albums I don't think go well on the list. People can think what they want about an album, and this list does try to fit the whole of everyone's opinion into it. You have your Jeff Wayne, I have my Bat Out of Hell.

But I think we should just focus on the to-do list right now. It seems that some of us are stressed right now, so let's just focus on what the series is supposed to be:a fun time.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-17-2016, 02:21 PM

Ska Punk

Choking Victim- No Gods, No Managers
Bomb the Music Industry!- Album Minus Band
Streetlight Manifesto- Everything Goes Numb
Catch 22- Keasby Nights
Less Than Jake- Hello Rockview
The Flatliners- Destroy to Create
Operation Ivy- Energy
Goldfinger- Hang-Ups
Authority Zero- Andiamo
Rancid- Life Won't Wait

I'm working on a folk punk one too.

The Batlord · 01-17-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I bet Technic wishes he'd never started this thread and has probably aged 10 years since doing so.

Technically I started the the Rock Album Survivor thread first, then Tech took over when I lost interest in maintaining both survivor threads and started a brand new thread for his version.

Not to toot my own horn, of course.

http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...-survivor.html

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Um, what? You said you wouldn't make a concept albums section, which is where both of these would fit in perfectly. So what are you now saying you will do? Remove the albums? I'm confused as you seem to be contradicting yourself here.

You could also have put them in prog or symphonic prog. It doesn't matter, as for most of this I wouldn't be bothered anyway, but I won't be voting for either of those two albums as rock operas, so will stay away from that section when it comes up. Your dismissal of my points does annoy me though, so I'm inclined really not to even take part. Just not worth the hassle.

Wish you well with it though, probably won't be for me.

Don't be so sensitive. This is the way these threads work: people disagree, people compromise, no one is satisfied, repeat ad infinitum until a list some people are vaguely happy with is formed and the thread creator just says, "**** it", and refuses to change anything else.

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff

Ska Punk

Choking Victim- No Gods, No Managers
Bomb the Music Industry!- Album Minus Band
Streetlight Manifesto- Everything Goes Numb
Catch 22- Keasby Nights
Less Than Jake- Hello Rockview
The Flatliners- Destroy to Create
Operation Ivy- Energy
Goldfinger- Hang-Ups
Authority Zero- Andiamo
Rancid- Life Won't Wait

I'm working on a folk punk one too.

No Specials?

TechnicLePanther · 01-17-2016, 02:29 PM

I don't see any distinction between a concept album with rock elements and a loose Rock Opera. For now, I want to just put them on one list, as no one seems to really care that much besides yourself. If you can put together both a Rock Opera list and a Concept Album list, or at least come close, then we can do it, but I'm not willing to put in all the effort required to make it work.

EDIT- Thanks, Tristan. Will put both of those up.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-17-2016, 02:43 PM

Huh.

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/al...n_on_broadway/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/05/...ll-time?page=4
http://www.stereogum.com/1192682/top...hment/genesis/
http://www.thetoptens.com/top-rock-opera-musicals/

Based on my experiences, RYM is really accuarate when it comes to genre voting and an overall consensus.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-17-2016, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Huh.

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/al...n_on_broadway/

Based on my experiences, RYM is really accuarate when it comes to genre voting.

For the most part, but those guys are *******s. They reported my drum n bass tag for Blackstar. The DnB on that album is undeniable, I mean really. A few other obvious primary/secondary genres are downvoted for no reason, like Flatliners' Destroy to Create having hardcore leanings or even I Was Afraid with shoegaze.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-17-2016, 02:45 PM

@Tech
My pleasure.

@Bats
I kinda focused on third wave ska. I always saw 2 Tone as closer to the original, and I thought we were making a ska list too. Go ahead and make one of those if you want, but focus more on 2 Tone.

Folk Punk

Andrew Jackson Jihad- People That Can Eat Other People Are the Luckiest People in the World
Against Me!- Gender Dysphoria Blues
Chuck Ragan- Gold Country
Violent Femmes- Violent Femmes
The Pogues- If I Should Fall From Grace With God
Dropkick Murphys- The Meanest of Times
Flogging Molly- Drunken Lullabies
Cousin Boneless- Trash Masquerade
The Front Bottoms- The Front Bottoms
Titus Adronicus- The Monitor

The Batlord · 01-17-2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff

@Tech
My pleasure.

@Bats
I kinda focused on third wave ska. I always saw 2 Tone as closer to the original, and I thought we were making a ska list too. Go ahead and make one of those if you want, but focus more on 2 Tone.

Was 2 Tone really big enough to warrant its own thing? As far as I know it was just a few bands on one record label.

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Folk Punk

Andrew Jackson Jihad- People That Can Eat Other People Are the Luckiest People in the World
Against Me!- Gender Dysphoria Blues
Chuck Ragan- Gold Country
Violent Femmes- Violent Femmes
The Pogues- If I Should Fall From Grace With God
Dropkick Murphys- The Meanest of Times
Flogging Molly- Drunken Lullabies
Cousin Boneless- Trash Masquerade
The Front Bottoms- The Front Bottoms
Titus Adronicus- The Monitor

Violent Femmes is good, but come on, Hallowed Ground is just the ever-loving ****. And what about Meat Puppets II?

And I guess for melodic hardcore -- although I'm not really a hardcore guy, but someone might as well get the ball rolling...

1. Bad Religion - Suffer
2. The Descendents - Milo Goes to College
3. H2O - F.T.T.W.
4. Gorilla Biscuits - Start Today
5. The Adolescents - The Adolescents

Aaaand somebody else who knows more about that **** should finish it.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-17-2016, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Was 2 Tone really big enough to warrant its own thing? As far as I know it was just a few bands on one record label.

Violent Femmes is good, but come on, Hallowed Ground is just the ever-loving ****. And what about Meat Puppets II?

And I guess for melodic hardcore -- although I'm not really a hardcore guy, but someone might as well get the ball rolling...

Aaaand somebody else who knows more about that **** should finish it.

God, you're so high maintennance.

Folk Punk

Andrew Jackson Jihad- People That Can Eat Other People Are the Luckiest People in the World
Against Me!- Gender Dysphoria Blues
Chuck Ragan- Gold Country
Violent Femmes- Hollowed Ground
The Pogues- If I Should Fall From Grace With God
Dropkick Murphys- The Meanest of Times
Meat Puppets- II
Cousin Boneless- Trash Masquerade
The Front Bottoms- The Front Bottoms
Titus Adronicus- The Monitor

Totally forgot about Meat Puppets actually. And keep in mind I haven't heard a few full albums from what I'm posting, as weird as that sounds. Some of them I'm just pulling from RYM top albums for the respected genre.

Some of your melodic hardcore bands are already in other lists too but I'll try my hardest.

Melodic Hardcore

1. Bad Religion - Suffer
2. Descendents - Milo Goes to College
3. H2O - F.T.T.W.
4. Gorilla Biscuits - Start Today
5. The Adolescents - The Adolescents
6. 88 Fingers Louie- Back on the Streets
7. The Flatliners- Cavalcade
8. The Falcon- Unicornography
9. Propagandhi- Potemkin City Limits
10. Strike Anywhere- Change is a Sound

Propagandhi's winning that battle btw. No challenge there.

The Batlord · 01-17-2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff

Totally forgot about Meat Puppets actually. And keep in mind I haven't heard a few full albums from what I'm posting, as weird as that sounds. Some of them I'm just pulling from RYM top albums for the respected genre.

I did the same thing many times for my thread. Sometimes to make a decision on including one album I was already familiar with over another, but plenty of times cause I just didn't know much about a sub-genre. No shame in it.

And it's Hallowed Ground.

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Some of your melodic hardcore bands are already in other lists too but I'll try my hardest.

I was hoping to clear up some space in hardcore anyway.

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Propagandhi's winning that battle btw. No challenge there.

Over Bad Religion?

01-17-2016, 02:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	I don't see any distinction between a concept album with rock elements and a loose Rock Opera. For now, I want to just put them on one list, as no one seems to really care that much besides yourself. If you can put together both a Rock Opera list and a Concept Album list, or at least come close, then we can do it, but I'm not willing to put in all the effort required to make it work. EDIT- Thanks, Tristan. Will put both of those up. __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.

01-17-2016, 02:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Huh. https://rateyourmusic.com/release/al...n_on_broadway/ http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/05/...ll-time?page=4 http://www.stereogum.com/1192682/top...hment/genesis/ http://www.thetoptens.com/top-rock-opera-musicals/ Based on my experiences, RYM is really accuarate when it comes to genre voting and an overall consensus. Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 01-17-2016 at 02:49 PM.

01-17-2016, 01:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Dude, chill. This whole rock opera thing is far too stressful for people, and genres have always been subjective. I don't care what happens, but I think we should just leave it as is. I got angry about Meat Loaf since that album's the whole reaosn I got into albums and music, and it taught me some things about myself. Still, I got upset and that wasn't wise. Trollheart, you can just vote those two off the list when the poll comes. That's what I'm doing with some albums I don't think go well on the list. People can think what they want about an album, and this list does try to fit the whole of everyone's opinion into it. You have your Jeff Wayne, I have my Bat Out of Hell. But I think we should just focus on the to-do list right now. It seems that some of us are stressed right now, so let's just focus on what the series is supposed to be:a fun time.