Rock Album Survivor

TechnicLePanther · 01-16-2016, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

How about because that album is equal parts laughable and terrible?

Gotta admit it is pretty stuffed with cheese, but he made a good point in that BOOH isn't really a rock opera, but opera rock instead.

Trollheart · 01-16-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

How about because that album is equal parts laughable and terrible?

You know you loved it. Give in....

The Batlord · 01-16-2016, 04:06 PM

I liked a good portion of the first half, but it was goofy as ****, and I'm pretty sure it was unintentional. The second album was just boring and even more goofy.

Unknown Soldier · 01-16-2016, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Asia have not been added. In fact, I think I'll take the current list down, and repost it here. We're currently trying to work out an AOR and an Arena Rock list, and there's been a lot of back and forth about what specifically should be on there. Until then, here's the current list:

Arena Rock

1. Toto - IV
2. Journey – Escape or Frontiers
3. Boston – Boston
4. Styx – The Grand Illusion
5. Strangeways – Native Sons
6. Def Leppard – Hysteria
7. Meat Loaf – Bat Out of Hell
8. Rush – Moving Pictures
9. Foreigner – 4
10. Asia - Asia

I added Asia just in case we decide to leave the current list as is.

I really think you're cocking this up and mixing these loose genre terms too much.

There's no way you can have Strangeways, Rush and Def Leppard in the same cat, why not add Genesis and Europe as well

The way you are cutting and cropping these lists will leave these cats so jumbled.

Just think-

AOR: American (mostly) west coast rock: Just think Toto and Journey and the whole host of bands not from California like Survivor etc who despite coming from Chicago still had that California rock sound. Draw in bands like Foreigner and REO etc with their own styles and you've got a genre.

Arena: Much looser and harder to define and primarily any band that could fill out stadiums, but as that would just about include anybody in the 1970s and 1980s, was normally used for big selling bands that streamlined their sound for arenas with more commercial style songs. Perfect examples Fleetwood Mac, Supertramp, Genesis, Queen and Asia who actually formed primarily to fill out stadiums etc and in the 1980s this started to include more metal orientated bands like Def Leppard, Van Halen hell you could even call Iron Maiden arena rock as well.

To confuse you more a lot of the AOR bands could equally be called arena and bands like Boston and Styx equally comfortable in both cats.

Therefore better to do 1) prime era AOR late 70's to mid 80's list 2) classic arena rock from the 70s 3) classic arena rock from the 80s. If you eliminate any metal bands that will make your job easier but you could squeeze some borderline albums like Hysteria in.

I don't mind doing a new top 10 AOR list for you and leave you and JG to do arena.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-16-2016, 04:46 PM

Let's have Frontiers for arena, and Escape for AOR. Frontiers is way more hard rock-esque than their album Escape's definite AOR sound. Plus, I'd love both albums up there.

EDIT: Journey marathon. Yeah! Infinity, Evolution, Frontiers, Escape, Revalations, Eclipse. I like Arnel, so this should be great.

Unknown Soldier · 01-16-2016, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Let's have Frontiers for arena, and Escape for AOR. Frontiers is way more hard rock-esque than their album Escape's definite AOR sound. Plus, I'd love both albums up there.

Well despite being two huge AOR sellers, if I had to split them I'd actually keep Frontiers in AOR and Escape in Arena, simply because Frontiers is more keyboard driven, but it's a hard choice. I'd also put Toto IV in arena and one of their better albums in AOR.

I'd also put the Boston debut in arena because if it's in AOR everybody will vote for that by default, whereas in arena it will have more competition from albums that people like.

You do realize that the good folks of MB look down their noses at AOR

JGuy Grungeman · 01-16-2016, 05:02 PM

Personally, I'm against separating the two. But if it's the general vote...

If that's the case about AOR, what good folks?

JGuy Grungeman · 01-16-2016, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Thanks. Not to be a pain (though I am), but how can you have a Rock Opera section and not include Jeff Wayne's The War of the Worlds? And you have Bat Out of Hell in that? BOOH is not a rock opera, nor anywhere near it. Not that I know of, anyway. Operatic, yes. Opera, no.

It's more opera than The Wall, and before RYM I'd never even heard of that War of the Worlds album. Plus, Bat Out of Hell sold 43,000,000 copies, making it the fifth highest selling album in the world, up there with DSOTM, Back in Black, and Thriller. It's one of the highest rated albums in the world, amking its way to magazine greatest-album charts everywhere, and having 14 platinum RIAA certifications. Plus, RYM has voted it a Rock Opera more than any other genre, taking songs from an actual rock opera stage musical. It sells higher than Led Zeppelin IV, and has spent over 9 years on the UK Charts. This album garnered the writer Steinman, also notable for Dance of the Vampires and "Total Eclipse of the Heart," a slot in the Songwriters hall of fame in '14. Plus, Steinman's planning on resurrecting the play, a science fiction dystopian retelling of the story of Peter Pan known as "Neverland." No way we're leaving that off.

Also, that's where it fits best. It's more rock opera than anything. Plus, the term of rock opera and the genre itself has always been a little vague. Also, Welcome to My Nightmare has a clunky story, and isn't even considered a story at times. Plus, there's absolutely no story to A Night the Opera. And like I said, Bat Out of Hell is pretty much a compilation of songs from a legitimate rock opera that never got anothe rabum release. Bat Out of Hell is about Peter(Ball in the play) taking Wendy to Neverland, All Revved Up is an introduction to the Lost Boys, Heaven can Wait is about the growing relationship between Ball and Wendy.

Unknown Soldier · 01-16-2016, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Personally, I'm against separating the two. But if it's the general vote...

If that's the case about AOR, what good folks?

Well both Journey albums should actually be in AOR.

Well besides myself and Anteater, I've hardly ever noticed any AOR fanatics on here. Plenty of threads though where people bitch about these bands.... but there are certainly some closet AOR fans hiding on here. So when I saw that you had selected a load of great albums for a AOR/Arena battle I was impressed.

For example I once stated that Styx were one of the greatest bands to ever come out of America on a thread, besides receiving insults on the thread, I was actually even insulted by PM as well.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-16-2016, 05:47 PM

You really took Bat Out of Hell off!? No. No! No! Meat Loaf, and I have proven this, is way more iconic than Jeff Wayne. I don't care much about the other charts, but Bat Out of Hell must stay on rock opera! That's all I really want. I made seven lists just to help, and I don't care how changed they get. I don't care what gets on the other ones. People are going to complain about the lack of story in Bat and not care about ANATO? That's uber hypocritical! All I really want is for Bat to stay on rock opera because it deserves the spot more than War of the Worlds and it deserves the title more than Night since Night doesn't even have a story and Bat Out of Hell was adopted from a story. Bat Out of Hell is basically a retelling of Peter Pan. This may be too emotional of a post, but that's all I want. I contributed rock opera specifically since I was looking forward to that round. Please just allow me that one album.

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JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Let's have Frontiers for arena, and Escape for AOR. Frontiers is way more hard rock-esque than their album Escape's definite AOR sound. Plus, I'd love both albums up there. EDIT: Journey marathon. Yeah! Infinity, Evolution, Frontiers, Escape, Revalations, Eclipse. I like Arnel, so this should be great. Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 01-16-2016 at 04:56 PM.

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JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	You really took Bat Out of Hell off!? No. No! No! Meat Loaf, and I have proven this, is way more iconic than Jeff Wayne. I don't care much about the other charts, but Bat Out of Hell must stay on rock opera! That's all I really want. I made seven lists just to help, and I don't care how changed they get. I don't care what gets on the other ones. People are going to complain about the lack of story in Bat and not care about ANATO? That's uber hypocritical! All I really want is for Bat to stay on rock opera because it deserves the spot more than War of the Worlds and it deserves the title more than Night since Night doesn't even have a story and Bat Out of Hell was adopted from a story. Bat Out of Hell is basically a retelling of Peter Pan. This may be too emotional of a post, but that's all I want. I contributed rock opera specifically since I was looking forward to that round. Please just allow me that one album. Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 01-16-2016 at 05:58 PM.

01-16-2016, 05:02 PM	#327 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Personally, I'm against separating the two. But if it's the general vote... If that's the case about AOR, what good folks?