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JGuy Grungeman

How about we take of Night at the Opera, put in Bat Out of Hell, and have Night go to art rock? Seriously, the bottom line is we can';t call this a rock album survivor if the major rep bands of rock aren't on their. I just saw a Meat Loaf concert recently. There was at least 5 thousand people. How many can Jeff Wayne seat?

The Batlord

For a guy whose album sold 43 million copies, 5 thousand people is a pretty big step down.

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JGuy Grungeman

It's still better than what Jeff Wayne can do. It's what happens to a rock artist. A career drops a bit. But he got a spot in a huge stadium. And even if Wayne somehow managed to top Meat Loaf's tickets, that's just one reason of the many I gave that was defeated.

Trollheart

I honestly dont understand your reasons. I've been listening to BOOH for about thirty years and have NEVER heard it described as a rock opera. I know very little about Queen, never mentioned them so not sure why you're harping on that. BOOH is not a rock opera. It's not. It does not have a story, it is not acted out on stage, all the songs are separate. There is no way it's a rock opera. Put it in if you want, idgaf; but I disagree with every reason you make, and I have no idea what having sold so many million albums/seats has to do with it.

Jeff Wayne's WOTW was one of the biggest albums when I was growing up. Just because you never heard of it and he didn't have any other major releases should not preclude it. If there's a definition of a rock opera, WOTW comes closest other than The Wall and Tommy et al. There's a clear story, big stars, narration and few of the songs work on their own. The music all flows together mostly and the songs are held together in the narrative by long instrumental sections. None of this happens in Bat. None.

But do what you want. I don't care and I'm not going to start a fight about it. But as a point of principle, I will continue to refute the suggestion that Bat is a rock opera.
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JGuy Grungeman

As a huge fan of Meat Loaf and a man who happens to have read part of the actual ROCK OPERA script and happens to know that the majority of the songs, if not all of them, area part of that STORY, I can tell a guy who hasn't even studied it that it's a rock opera, if not a soundtrack to a rock opera. You shouldn't say "it's not" and then end the point. That's no discussion. And it was acted out on stage multiple times before the album was made, and Jim Steinman is planning on bringing it back.

Bat Out of Hell is more than a rock opera to me. Before Meat Loaf, music was just some hobby and I wasn't too serious about it. I wasn't sure who my favorite band was. It switched a lot. After Bat Out of Hell and Hysteria, I joined music forums and discovered many new forms of music. It was because of those albums that I gained interest in finding greater albums. I gained love for rock operas. So please forgive me if I seem rude or butthurt, but taking the album off that list is similar to telling me I can't see the most important album in my life on a rock survivor thread. I know that wasn't your intention.

I have seen many websites and lists cite Meat Loaf as a rock opera, and that's just from three years. That is because I have been studying the album's history for writing articles.

And it has everything to do because Meat Loaf is far more an icon of rock than Jeff Wayne. At least Bat Out of Hell has stood the test of time enough for people today put it in their rock opera, 70's, hard rock lists when I have never seen Jeff Wayne in a list. And I used to go to a site where there was nothnig but lists and a forum. And I visited a lot of rock lists for recommendations. I really don't feel that Jeff Wayne is as important in the rock industry as Meat Loaf, especially since he has done a duet with one of the most famous people ever: CHER. Even if Cher sucks in some people's eyes, that's freakin' impressive.

The point was that he is an icon. Jeff Wayne was a one hit wonder. Meat Loaf had three hit albums and at least ten hit singles going from the 70's to 90s. I'm not saying Wayne can not be on since there are plenty of one-hit wonders. And if you like the album more, I'm fine with that. I don't mind replacing ANATO, since it's not really a rock opera. I included it because I've also seen plenty of people call that a rock opera, even some official critics. I'll admit, I don't think it is since there is no story whatsoever. I think it has rock opera influecnes but when push comes to shove it's the least deserving rock opera album to get that title. So, can we replace Queen II with ANATO?

But if you want to disagree, please don't sound so stern about it. I admit, I started it. And I apologize for any rude things I may have said or for causing discomfort for anyone. But it comes as a shock when an album like Bat gets kicked off smt.



Now, I condense many topics into one post to keep myself from flooding threads with this last statement... are we going to have a screamo ten?

Trollheart

Just so you know, do what you want as I say with Bat out of Hell but please stop putting down Wayne. That album celebrated its 30th anniversary in 2008 and went back on tour; the ticket sales were huge. People remembered it from their childhood/growing up. It was so popular that a new version was recorded in 2012 with a younger cast, and prior to that it had been re-released and remixed loads of times. It's a very popular album and very unique. Nobody to my knowledge had before taken a well-known story and made it into a rock opera (unless you count the likes of Jesus Christ Superstar; well let's say a novel) so it was something totally new at the time. The stars that played on it --- Richard Burton, Phil Lynott, David Essex etc --- make it one of the most important albums of its time, and if you had been living/interested in music in 1978 you certainly would have heard about it. It also spawned a top ten hit in the UK and is one of the biggest selling albums of all time in the UK.

It definitely deserves a place. For my money, albums like The Wall, Tommy, should be there. But now that I look at the list, aren't you mixing up rock operas with concept albums? 2112? The Lamb? I know the latter was slated to be made into a movie, but that's not a rock opera either. Concept album does not equal rock opera. Also, Quadrophenia over Tommy? You serious???

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Unknown Soldier

Rock Operas and concept albums have been mixed up, again should be two cats.

As there are so many cats at the moment, I don't think any extra cats are going to be a problem.

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JGuy Grungeman

But the albums have a story. The story wasn't from the movie, and 2112's title track takes up more than half the album, is split into seven tracks on re-releases, and is a story about a man being discriminated for his love of the guitar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_La...Broadway#Story

That story section isn't taken from the movie. A rock album that tells a story. You're not even bothering to look up if these albums have stories. Plus, I already said that Tommy was taken. Yes, it's true, I like Quadrophenia more. BUt a lot of people do. And like I said, I don't really care about the rest, but the majority of these albums are voted to be rock operas on RYM, and for good reason. I'll give you 2112, though. 2112 isn't voted a rock opera on RYM but there are still plenty of lists out there who consider the album a rock opera, even though the last few tracks of 2112 don't have anything to do with the story.

I don't mean to put down Jeff Wayne, and I was not trying to say Jeff Wayne didn't deserve a shot. but don't call my Bat Out of Hell a travesty. If its that bad, why have you been listening to it for thirty years?

And I already said I apologized, so back off.

The Batlord

Importance is irrelevant. Occasionally I've tried keeping in an album in my thread due to it's historical relevance, but it's just a sop that keeps out a better album. Not saying BOOH doesn't deserve a place on this or another list, but importance should have no place in its inclusion.

And just because you are so hellbent on an album's inclusion doesn't mean we all have to bow to your whims. This isn't your thread, nor do you have a bigger vote than anyone else. If your fav album doesn't get included then just deal with it.

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