Rock Album Survivor

music_collector · 05-27-2022, 07:49 PM

I have a question. For the record, I haven't seen a full episode of Survivor.

Is the idea to pick one out of the group immediately, or vote off a few until we reach one?

I'll also admit that I've never heard either of these albums.

Tristan_Geoff · 05-28-2022, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GD

^Great
Btw for anyone who's unsure, these are the albums for the upcoming round:

Now all that's left is for Tristan to announce the first deadline

Oop been absent for a minute sorry to say, but hows abt say July 1st?

And music collector, the idea is to vote off 4 albums that are your least favorite for whatever reason

Trollheart · 05-28-2022, 06:13 AM

Is this the first round then, or is one of you going to create a new thread? In other words, do we vote now, and, to quote Tracy Chapman, if not now, when?

GD · 05-28-2022, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by music_collector

I have a question. For the record, I haven't seen a full episode of Survivor.

Is the idea to pick one out of the group immediately, or vote off a few until we reach one?

I'll also admit that I've never heard either of these albums.

Yeah, like Tristan said we begin by voting off 4 albums each and the one(s) with the most votes gets eliminated. Then we repeat the process until just one album is left and is declared the winner of the round.
If you'd like to participate you should have at least a month to listen to the albums (see below)

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Originally Posted by Tristan_Geoff

Oop been absent for a minute sorry to say, but hows abt say July 1st?

No worries

Yes, that deadline sounds good

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Is this the first round then, or is one of you going to create a new thread? In other words, do we vote now, and, to quote Tracy Chapman, if not now, when?

I figure we'll still be voting in this thread, since making a new thread for each battle would probably bog down the forum too much. Alternately, I guess Tristan could create a new version of this thread if he wanted to be able to edit the OP to reflect the current battle. I'll leave that up to him tho

Before we get started for real I'd actually like to suggest an alteration to the list of albums. I noticed that the ELO album on the list isn't actually under the Symphonic Prog genre on RYM (neither as primary nor secondary genre). Having heard the album I'd have to agree. My suggestion for a replacement would be Scheherazade and Other Stories by Renaissance. It is ranked highly on the RYM charts for that genre, and imo it's a better album than the ELO one anyway.

music_collector · 05-28-2022, 09:17 AM

10-4

I suppose I have some interesting listening ahead of me.

Trollheart · 06-02-2022, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GD

Yeah, like Tristan said we begin by voting off 4 albums each and the one(s) with the most votes gets eliminated. Then we repeat the process until just one album is left and is declared the winner of the round.
If you'd like to participate you should have at least a month to listen to the albums (see below)

No worries

Yes, that deadline sounds good

I figure we'll still be voting in this thread, since making a new thread for each battle would probably bog down the forum too much. Alternately, I guess Tristan could create a new version of this thread if he wanted to be able to edit the OP to reflect the current battle. I'll leave that up to him tho

Before we get started for real I'd actually like to suggest an alteration to the list of albums. I noticed that the ELO album on the list isn't actually under the Symphonic Prog genre on RYM (neither as primary nor secondary genre). Having heard the album I'd have to agree. My suggestion for a replacement would be [I]Scheherazade and Other Stories by Renaissance. [B]It is ranked highly on the RYM charts for that genre, and imo it's a better album than the ELO one anyway.

Pure bollocks. El Dorado is definitely symphonic prog. FFS, it's a symphony! It has an overture and a finale, it has movements - what more do you want? If El Dorado isn't symphonic prog then I wasn't voted the most annoying member of Music Banter four years in a row!

GD · 06-02-2022, 11:01 AM

Well I get the symphonic part, but what exactly is "prog" about it? Just like ELO's other output in the mid-late seventies, this comes off to me like more of a Pop Rock album with an orchestral sound to it. And just the fact that the album is structured like a conventional pop/rock album with mostly 3-5 minute songs is certainly a contrast to the other albums on here with their 20-minute multi-movement epics and all the other hallmarks of the genre.

But when it comes down to it, it was just a suggestion, so if you would like to keep the album on the list we'll just leave it as it is.

Trollheart · 06-02-2022, 01:09 PM

Yeah well I've never really considered ELO's post early seventies output to be really prog, nor them to be a prog band, no more than Supertramp or Alan Parsons Project or even It Bites, to some degree, can be considered prog. So I would take your point on that. But definitely symphonic. Maybe if there's a symphonic rock battle? If not, I think it can qualify here.

GD · 06-02-2022, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Yeah well I've never really considered ELO's post early seventies output to be really prog, nor them to be a prog band, no more than Supertramp or Alan Parsons Project or even It Bites, to some degree, can be considered prog. So I would take your point on that. But definitely symphonic. Maybe if there's a symphonic rock battle? If not, I think it can qualify here.

I don't see one but we could always make one. How does this look? (pulled mostly from RYM but edited to exclude albums that already appear on other lists):

Symphonic Rock

1. Electric Light Orchestra - Eldorado (A New World Record is technically higher in the chart but I put this in for the sake of including it)
2. Devil Doll - Dies Irae
3. Malice Mizer - Merveilles
4. Jean-Claude Vannier - L'enfant assassin des mouches
5. Spiritualized® - Let It Come Down
6. Foetus - Love
7. MEER - Playing House
8. Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Beethoven's Last Night
9. Nikolo Kotzev - Nostradamus
10. Alquin - Nobody Can Wait Forever

If so the new Symphonic Prog list would look like this:

Spoiler for edited list:

Trollheart · 06-02-2022, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GD

I don't see one but we could always make one. How does this look? (pulled mostly from RYM but edited to exclude albums that already appear on other lists):

Symphonic Rock

1. Electric Light Orchestra - Eldorado (A New World Record is technically higher in the chart but I put this in for the sake of including it)
2. Devil Doll - Dies Irae
3. Malice Mizer - Merveilles
4. Jean-Claude Vannier - L'enfant assassin des mouches
5. Spiritualized® - Let It Come Down
6. Foetus - Love
7. MEER - Playing House
8. Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Beethoven's Last Night
9. Nikolo Kotzev - Nostradamus
10. Alquin - Nobody Can Wait Forever

If so the new Symphonic Prog list would look like this:

Spoiler for edited list:

Hmm yeah ok but I only know one other album in that new list. So you could of course go ahead, but I wouldn't be taking part. Could symphonic rock not be stretched to include symphonic metal? Then I'd know a few - Epica, Within Temptation, Leaves' Eyes, Edenbridge etc. Just an idea. I know none of those guys you listed other than TSO, and even at that, they're more metal than rock, no?

05-28-2022, 06:13 AM	#2553 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Is this the first round then, or is one of you going to create a new thread? In other words, do we vote now, and, to quote Tracy Chapman, if not now, when? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

06-02-2022, 11:01 AM	#2557 (permalink)
GD ???pp? ??snW Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: NO Posts: 686	Well I get the symphonic part, but what exactly is "prog" about it? Just like ELO's other output in the mid-late seventies, this comes off to me like more of a Pop Rock album with an orchestral sound to it. And just the fact that the album is structured like a conventional pop/rock album with mostly 3-5 minute songs is certainly a contrast to the other albums on here with their 20-minute multi-movement epics and all the other hallmarks of the genre. But when it comes down to it, it was just a suggestion, so if you would like to keep the album on the list we'll just leave it as it is. __________________ lasty\|rate-y music-y

06-02-2022, 01:09 PM	#2558 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Yeah well I've never really considered ELO's post early seventies output to be really prog, nor them to be a prog band, no more than Supertramp or Alan Parsons Project or even It Bites, to some degree, can be considered prog. So I would take your point on that. But definitely symphonic. Maybe if there's a symphonic rock battle? If not, I think it can qualify here. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

05-27-2022, 07:49 PM	#2551 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	I have a question. For the record, I haven't seen a full episode of Survivor. Is the idea to pick one out of the group immediately, or vote off a few until we reach one? I'll also admit that I've never heard either of these albums.

05-28-2022, 09:17 AM	#2555 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	10-4 I suppose I have some interesting listening ahead of me.