Rock Album Survivor

The Batlord · 09-29-2015, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

@Green Day
I'm gonna push back on the forum here. Green Day brought punk back into the mainstream limelight for good or ill.

Irrelevant to its quality. This shouldn't be a list for historical punk albums.

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Dookie is a quintessential punk album, and is one of few of our punk albums that haven't been assimilated into other lists.

Batty, I have a good link for the critical acclaim side of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dookie#Reception

Hundreds of other punk albums with enough good reviews you could fill a Wiki article with. Bottom line: without its place in pop culture, would it have the same respect as London Calling or Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables?

The Batlord · 09-29-2015, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Go Pere Ubu!

#savetheubu

TechnicLePanther · 09-30-2015, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Josef K

1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
2. Joni Mitchell - Blue
3. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
4. The Band - The Band
5. Neil Young - Harvest
6. The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers
7. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight
8. Songs: Ohia - Didn't it Rain
9. Pentangle - Basket of Light
10. George Harrison - All Things Must Pass

Cool, I'll copy this list into the OP. And I'd be more than happy to have a separate list for newer folk. Maybe we could call it "Contemporary Folk", just so we can incorporate everything from folk punk to indie folk to neo-folk in one list.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Irrelevant to its quality. This shouldn't be a list for historical punk albums. Hundreds of other punk albums with enough good reviews you could fill a Wiki article with. Bottom line: without its place in pop culture, would it have the same respect as London Calling or Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables?

Its place in pop culture is because of the tremendous impact it had. Sometimes I like to disparage albums like Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, because IMO, it's not even better than all of the Beatles' albums, let alone the best album of all time. However, I have to give it credit for the impact it had on the music industry. For whatever reason, it doesn't really matter, Dookie always ends up on lists of the best punk albums. Unless you have a specific album you think could take its place, I don't want to keep having this conversation. It's there, and unless there's something more significant to the genre, it will remain there.

Also, I literally just rediscovered Streetlight Manifesto, and I think a ska punk list would be cool. As much as I'd like to finish up punk, there's really a lot going on there.

Oriphiel · 09-30-2015, 07:13 AM

For Punk, you could replace Dookie with another classic album like Germ Free Adolescents by Xray Spex, or Moving Targets by Penetration. You mentioned that your main reasoning for keeping it is because it helped to keep Punk alive in the 1990s. In that case, you could replace it with The Muffs' debut, which came out a year earlier, or Blonder and Blonder, which came out a year after. In my opinion, The Muffs were just as important to Punk as Green Day were, helping to solidify the Pop Punk sound and to usher in the new generation of punk fans.

Spoiler for examples:

TechnicLePanther · 09-30-2015, 08:25 AM

In my opinion, all of those albums simply aren't as good as Dookie is. Why don't we take a vote on it. And before we all vote, I would really encourage you guys to give Dookie another listen first. I sort of feel like you guys are dismissing it just because it's mainstream. Just because something is overhyped, doesn't mean that makes it not as good as it is. Something could be overhyped to be a 10/10, but is still a 9/10. Listen to the album for what it is, and contrast it with the others. So, is Dookie in or out?

In for me.

Oriphiel · 09-30-2015, 08:29 AM

You might be right, but I could also argue that you're dismissing the other albums just because they aren't as mainstream. I vote that Dookie be replaced.

Josef K · 09-30-2015, 09:40 AM

Germ Free Adolescents is a classic. I vote for that.

The Batlord · 09-30-2015, 03:22 PM

I'd just take Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables from hardcore and use that to replace Dookie. FFfRV isn't really a hardcore album.

And I'm dismissing Dookie just cause I've never liked Green Day, even when I was a mainstream-loving teenager. I don't find them offensive, or even particularly bad, they're just kind of there.

TechnicLePanther · 09-30-2015, 04:32 PM

I'm going to take one of Oriphiel's suggestions, as Josef has already had some influence on various lists, and I don't want to make a gap in hardcore so we can fill a spot better filled by other suggestions.

The Batlord · 09-30-2015, 04:42 PM

Well then I third the vote for Germ Free Adolescents. One of my favs.

09-30-2015, 07:13 AM	#124 (permalink)
Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,354	For Punk, you could replace Dookie with another classic album like Germ Free Adolescents by Xray Spex, or Moving Targets by Penetration. You mentioned that your main reasoning for keeping it is because it helped to keep Punk alive in the 1990s. In that case, you could replace it with The Muffs' debut, which came out a year earlier, or Blonder and Blonder, which came out a year after. In my opinion, The Muffs were just as important to Punk as Green Day were, helping to solidify the Pop Punk sound and to usher in the new generation of punk fans. Spoiler for examples: __________________ ---------------------- \|---Mic's Albums---\| ---------------------- ----------------------------- \|---Deafbox Industries---\| -----------------------------

09-30-2015, 08:25 AM	#125 (permalink)
TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	In my opinion, all of those albums simply aren't as good as Dookie is. Why don't we take a vote on it. And before we all vote, I would really encourage you guys to give Dookie another listen first. I sort of feel like you guys are dismissing it just because it's mainstream. Just because something is overhyped, doesn't mean that makes it not as good as it is. Something could be overhyped to be a 10/10, but is still a 9/10. Listen to the album for what it is, and contrast it with the others. So, is Dookie in or out? In for me. __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough. Last edited by TechnicLePanther; 09-30-2015 at 08:31 AM.

09-30-2015, 08:29 AM	#126 (permalink)
Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,354	You might be right, but I could also argue that you're dismissing the other albums just because they aren't as mainstream. I vote that Dookie be replaced. __________________ ---------------------- \|---Mic's Albums---\| ---------------------- ----------------------------- \|---Deafbox Industries---\| -----------------------------

09-30-2015, 04:32 PM	#129 (permalink)
TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	I'm going to take one of Oriphiel's suggestions, as Josef has already had some influence on various lists, and I don't want to make a gap in hardcore so we can fill a spot better filled by other suggestions. __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough.

09-30-2015, 09:40 AM	#127 (permalink)
Josef K A Jew on a motorbike! Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 800	Germ Free Adolescents is a classic. I vote for that.