Rock Album Survivor

TechnicLePanther · 09-29-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Why don't we have an art rock list? There're a lot mb darlings that could be on there.

If you or someone else makes the list, I'm fine with it.

Oriphiel · 09-29-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

TBH, I think the only reason I put them there was because almost all of the bands I had were some kind of garage punk or garage rock revival band. Garage rock kinda sucked at first.

Just noticed this. I could give you dozens of awesome and creative vintage garage rock albums, along with hundreds of crazy singles, from all over the world. If you ever want to explore the genre further, just ask.

The Batlord · 09-29-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Hmm. Lots of your list are already there. I'm gonna swap a couple of the punk rock list out. Green Day's going on the Punk Rock list; I don't know why they weren't there already. Put Buzzcocks on the Punk list as well.

Alright, other than that, I changed some things around, and everything should be okay now. I think we're finally done with punk.

Why is Green Day going on the punk rock list? Is there a clandestine network of genius rock critics who suck that band's dick or something? If there is then I'm certainly not aware of them.

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Have you ever listened to The Idiot? It's definitely post-punk. Maybe a little on the Krautrock side, but it's post-punk enough.

One thing you should keep in mind is that these lists should be as objective as possible, and to not let your own personal bias run the show. I've never heard that album referred to as post-punk and I've never seen it mentioned even passingly on any "Must Listen Before You Die" post-punk lists.

So far as I can tell, you are the only one championing the album, and if so, then you should consider taking a step back and checking your objectivity. I had to check my own when I tried taking Napalm Death off the grindcore list a while back.

Oriphiel · 09-29-2015, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why is Green Day going on the punk rock list? Is there a clandestine network of genius rock critics who suck that band's dick or something? If there is then I'm certainly not aware of them..

I agree, Green Day are overrated. One thing I find funny about them was that the singer sounds a lot like the frontman of The Barracudas, from ten years earlier. I honestly can't tell the vocalists apart.

Josef K · 09-29-2015, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Like many post-punk albums, it was not influential on the genre itself, but instead on bands that would release albums in the 80s onwards. it definitely belongs on some list, and since we don't have Art Rock list, those albums go on the next genre that fits. If you so desperately want Pere Ubu on the list, I'll put them where Remain In Light is once I get around to the worldbeat list.

The Idiot is a pretty good album. I'm sure some people have been influenced by it. Dub Housing is one of the most important post-punk albums and is also really really good. You're way outvoted here - you don't get to unilaterally decide what's on the lists. I would also probably oppose putting Remain in Light on a worldbeat list - yes, the genre tag fits, but it's one of the key post-punk albums and it makes more sense to keep it on a list that will actually be competitive than to put it on one where half the people voting will come in knowing that they want it to win and not really caring about anything else on the list.

TechnicLePanther · 09-29-2015, 05:48 PM

@Green Day
I'm gonna push back on the forum here. Green Day brought punk back into the mainstream limelight, for good or ill. Dookie is a quintessential punk album, and is one of few of our punk albums that haven't been assimilated into other lists. Batty, I have a good link for the critical acclaim side of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dookie#Reception

@The Idiot
And I'll replace The Idiot with Dub Housing (I was going to throw out the fact that some people like The Modern Dance more, but decided to just let it be).

Josef K · 09-29-2015, 05:50 PM

Also, proposal for revised folk-rock (first the original list with comments, then a list with my proposed edits):

1. George Harrison - All Things Must Pass (Yeah sure whatever)
2. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited (There absolutely should be a Dylan album and it should probably be this one)
3. Violent Femmes - Hallowed Ground (I've never really seen this as a folk rock album, and although it's really good I don't know that it's essential)
4. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water (Sure)
5. Mumford and Sons - Sigh No More (Absolutely not)
6. Neil Young - Harvest (I've never liked Harvest although I love Neil Young, so if we're willing to count On the Beach or Tonight's the Night as folk-rock I'd lobby for those ones - but it's no big deal)
7. Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left (I don't really see what makes him folk-rock and not just folk, but regardless I think this is his weakest album)
8. The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (I've always liked the debut better but it doesn't really matter)
9. The Band - The Band (Same as above)
10. Joni Mitchell - Blue (Absolutely keep it)

My proposed list:

1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
2. Joni Mitchell - Blue
3. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
4. The Band - Music from Big Pink
5. Neil Young - Tonight's the Night
6. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight
7. Sun Kil Moon - Ghosts of the Great Highway
8. Songs: Ohia - Didn't it Rain
9. Pentangle - Basket of Light (not my favorite of theirs but more "folk-rock" than Sweet Child)
10. Angels of Light - How I Loved You

grindy · 09-29-2015, 05:50 PM

Go Pere Ubu!

TechnicLePanther · 09-29-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef K

Also, proposal for revised folk-rock (first the original list with comments, then a list with my proposed edits):

1. George Harrison - All Things Must Pass (Yeah sure whatever)
2. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited (There absolutely should be a Dylan album and it should probably be this one)
3. Violent Femmes - Hallowed Ground (I've never really seen this as a folk rock album, and although it's really good I don't know that it's essential)
4. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water (Sure)
5. Mumford and Sons - Sigh No More (Absolutely not)
6. Neil Young - Harvest (I've never liked Harvest although I love Neil Young, so if we're willing to count On the Beach or Tonight's the Night as folk-rock I'd lobby for those ones - but it's no big deal)
7. Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left (I don't really see what makes him folk-rock and not just folk, but regardless I think this is his weakest album)
8. The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (I've always liked the debut better but it doesn't really matter)
9. The Band - The Band (Same as above)
10. Joni Mitchell - Blue (Absolutely keep it)

My proposed list:

1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
2. Joni Mitchell - Blue
3. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
4. The Band - Music from Big Pink
5. Neil Young - Tonight's the Night
6. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight
7. Sun Kil Moon - Ghosts of the Great Highway
8. Songs: Ohia - Didn't it Rain
9. Pentangle - Basket of Light (not my favorite of theirs but more "folk-rock" than Sweet Child)
10. Angels of Light - How I Loved You

My List:

1. It's a highly underrated album.
2. Cool.
3. I concede.
4. Cool.
5. Fine.
6. There's too much debate over the early era of his career. Harvest is undoubtedly his most well-known album, so that's what I'm going to go with.
7. I would be fine with removing him.
8. and 9. Again, there's just too much debate. The choice doesn't really carry much weight anyways, as it's the same band.
10. Cool, glad I slipped it in there.

Your List:

1. 2. 3. 4. and 5. All cool, but I still want to use Harvest.
6. 7. and 8. Since we're agreed on 3. 5. and 7. of my list being removed, and I've heard of these bands, I'm totally cool with them.
9. I'm gonna let go of the Byrds. They're just not significant enough.

10. And this is where it gets iffy. I want to keep All Things Must Pass on there, so I think I'm going to remove How I Love You. I think there's just no comparison between the two albums. All Things Must Pass is obviously the better of them if you give them a listen. It's not just George making money off of the corpse that was the Beatles, it's genuinely a great album.

Hope you're not too TO'd.

Josef K · 09-29-2015, 09:23 PM

Okay, the compromise version. I've reconsidered my stance on the Byrds - they pretty much created the genre and they should probably be on here. I took off Sun Kil Moon because I like that album the least of the ones I picked, but that leaves me with only one recent-ish album - I think maybe we could make a separate list for more recent folk/folk rock material, and put Molina, Will Oldham, Smog, SKM, etc. on there instead. All that said, here's the list as it stands now:

1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
2. Joni Mitchell - Blue
3. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
4. The Band - The Band
5. Neil Young - Harvest
6. The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers
7. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight
8. Songs: Ohia - Didn't it Rain
9. Pentangle - Basket of Light
10. George Harrison - All Things Must Pass

09-29-2015, 05:48 PM	#116 (permalink)
TechnicLePanther and the livin' is easy... Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New York Posts: 1,997	@Green Day I'm gonna push back on the forum here. Green Day brought punk back into the mainstream limelight, for good or ill. Dookie is a quintessential punk album, and is one of few of our punk albums that haven't been assimilated into other lists. Batty, I have a good link for the critical acclaim side of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dookie#Reception @The Idiot And I'll replace The Idiot with Dub Housing (I was going to throw out the fact that some people like The Modern Dance more, but decided to just let it be). __________________ Many have tried to destroy it... but... true evil never dies. It is only... REBORN *SUGGEST ME AN ALBUM* - I'm probably not going to listen to it but I will if you bother me enough. Last edited by TechnicLePanther; 09-29-2015 at 05:55 PM.

09-29-2015, 05:50 PM	#118 (permalink)
grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	Go Pere Ubu! __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*

09-29-2015, 05:50 PM	#117 (permalink)
Josef K A Jew on a motorbike! Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 800	Also, proposal for revised folk-rock (first the original list with comments, then a list with my proposed edits): 1. George Harrison - All Things Must Pass (Yeah sure whatever) 2. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited (There absolutely should be a Dylan album and it should probably be this one) 3. Violent Femmes - Hallowed Ground (I've never really seen this as a folk rock album, and although it's really good I don't know that it's essential) 4. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water (Sure) 5. Mumford and Sons - Sigh No More (Absolutely not) 6. Neil Young - Harvest (I've never liked Harvest although I love Neil Young, so if we're willing to count On the Beach or Tonight's the Night as folk-rock I'd lobby for those ones - but it's no big deal) 7. Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left (I don't really see what makes him folk-rock and not just folk, but regardless I think this is his weakest album) 8. The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (I've always liked the debut better but it doesn't really matter) 9. The Band - The Band (Same as above) 10. Joni Mitchell - Blue (Absolutely keep it) My proposed list: 1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited 2. Joni Mitchell - Blue 3. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water 4. The Band - Music from Big Pink 5. Neil Young - Tonight's the Night 6. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight 7. Sun Kil Moon - Ghosts of the Great Highway 8. Songs: Ohia - Didn't it Rain 9. Pentangle - Basket of Light (not my favorite of theirs but more "folk-rock" than Sweet Child) 10. Angels of Light - How I Loved You

09-29-2015, 09:23 PM	#120 (permalink)
Josef K A Jew on a motorbike! Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 800	Okay, the compromise version. I've reconsidered my stance on the Byrds - they pretty much created the genre and they should probably be on here. I took off Sun Kil Moon because I like that album the least of the ones I picked, but that leaves me with only one recent-ish album - I think maybe we could make a separate list for more recent folk/folk rock material, and put Molina, Will Oldham, Smog, SKM, etc. on there instead. All that said, here's the list as it stands now: 1. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited 2. Joni Mitchell - Blue 3. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water 4. The Band - The Band 5. Neil Young - Harvest 6. The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers 7. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight 8. Songs: Ohia - Didn't it Rain 9. Pentangle - Basket of Light 10. George Harrison - All Things Must Pass