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The Batlord 05-16-2015 08:06 AM

Rock Album Survivor
 
The Metal Album Survivor thread has been a success, so why not just a general thread for rock itself? Obviously this would be a far more extensive venture, and cover a lot of genres which I have little to no familiarity with, so there would have to be a lot more participation from all of you as to what genres and albums to include, so comments are not just appreciated, but necessary.

And metal will not be included. Not because it doesn't deserve to be, but there's already a thread for that, so whatever album ends up winning that thread can be used whenever this thread comes to a final stage.

These are the genres that I've come up with in five minutes, so it is in no way complete. This is just spit balling.


Punk
Hardcore
Post-hardcore
Noise rock
Power pop
Prog rock
AOR
Hard rock
Southern rock
Industrial rock
Grunge
Garage rock
Proto-punk
Arena rock
Glam rock
Pop
New wave
Folk rock
Brit pop
College rock
Crust punk
Shoegaze
Blues rock
Stoner rock
Goth rock
Indie rock
Indie pop
Krautrock
Post-rock
Ska
Soft rock
Space rock
Synth pop
Psychedelic rock

Pet_Sounds 05-16-2015 12:02 PM

Awesome idea! Let me know if/when you want suggestions for psychedelic and folk rock. That's my territory. :thumb:

The Batlord 05-16-2015 12:32 PM

All suggestions are wanted at all times.

Goofle 05-16-2015 12:35 PM

I'll suggest a few for whatever you're looking for first.

Trollheart 05-16-2015 01:38 PM

You know you can rely on me for the proggy goodness! ;)

Janszoon 05-16-2015 01:42 PM

Fun twist: I pick the prog albums and Trollheart picks the hardcore albums.

The Batlord 05-16-2015 01:42 PM

I'm not really looking for anything FIRST. This is still in the embryonic stage. I want to get a few lists down before I start, and first come first serve. Remember, the lists are top tens. So quit bull****ting and start throwing albums at me.

Pet_Sounds 05-16-2015 02:12 PM

Psychedelic rock (these are all from the '60s, so we can trim it and throw in a few from other decades):
Beatles - Revolver
Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
Doors - The Doors
Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground and Nico
Love - Forever Changes
United States of America - The United States of America
Strawberry Alarm Clock - Incense and Peppermints
Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow
Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?

I'm assuming it's OK to include two Beatles albums?

The Batlord 05-16-2015 02:27 PM

Nah, only one album from one band.

Pet_Sounds 05-16-2015 02:34 PM

That's fine, because I just realized that I forgot to include Hendrix.

The Batlord 05-16-2015 02:47 PM

I'd like to point out though, that a band can have more than one album on another list, just not on the same one.

Pet_Sounds 05-16-2015 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1590126)
I'd like to point out though, that a band can have more than one album on another list, just not on the same one.

Can an album qualify for two lists? For example, art rock tends to overlap with glam and/or prog.

EDIT: Just realized that art rock isn't listed in the OP.

The Batlord 05-16-2015 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1590135)
Can an album qualify for two lists? For example, art rock tends to overlap with glam and/or prog.

EDIT: Just realized that art rock isn't listed in the OP.

Nah, spud. Only one list per album. And I'm trying to figure out if art rock should be its own thing, since it's kind of a nebulous term where most of the albums would fit elsewhere.

Pet_Sounds 05-16-2015 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1590136)
Nah, spud. Only one list per album. And I'm trying to figure out if art rock should be its own thing, since it's kind of a nebulous term where most of the albums would fit elsewhere.

I think it can be covered pretty well in glam, prog, post-punk, and experimental.

EDIT: Well, you don't have the last two either.

Goofle 05-16-2015 04:01 PM

Though this isn't my favourite genre, and I haven't listened to many albums that are associated with this title, here's some suggestions for Britpop:

The Auteurs - New Wave
Black Grape - It's Great When You're Straight...Yeah!
Elastica - Elastica
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Blur - Parklife
The Boo Radleys - Wake Up!
Doves - Kingdom of Rust
Travis - The Invisible Band
The Verve - Urban Hymns

And some for Garage Rock:

Benjamin Booker - Benjamin Booker
The Coathangers - The Coathangers
Holly Golightly - Painted On
The Gories - Outta Here
Thee Oh Sees - Carrion Crawler / The Dream EP
Apache Dropout - Bubblegum Graveyard
Apart Aside - Goodbye Bill Murray
Country Teasers - The Empire Strikes Back
The Dirtbombs - Ultraglide in Black
The King Khan & BBQ Show - What's for Dinner?

Frownland 05-16-2015 04:13 PM

Krautrock
Sand - Golem
Faust - Faust IV
Neu! - Neu!
Can - Tago Mago
Amon Düül II - Yeti
Kraftwerk - Die Mensch-Maschine
Popol Vuh - In den Gärten Pharaos
Cluster - Zuckerzeit
Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation
Harmonia - Musik Von Harmonia

Mondo Bungle 05-16-2015 04:18 PM

One of Kraftwerk's krautrock albums would fit better I feel

Frownland 05-16-2015 04:35 PM

Krautrock is so nebulous that I have no idea what it means.

Mondo Bungle 05-16-2015 04:45 PM

I'm no expert either but I'm pretty sure The Man Machine doesn't really fit the bill. At least a whole lot less than this


Frownland 05-16-2015 04:51 PM

Let's go with Autobahn. Wiki says its kraut and I like it better anyway.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-16-2015 05:04 PM

Here's a list of some proper Glam Rock as opposed to someone doing a list full of ****ty hair metal and calling it Glam Rock instead.

T. Rex - Electric Warrior
David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust
The Sensational Alex Harvey Band - Framed
New York Dolls - S/T
Kiss - Destroyer
Heavy Metal Kids - S/T
Silverhead - S/T
The Tubes - S/T
Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
Sweet - Desolation Boulevard
Mott The Hoople - Mott
Slade - Slayed
Roxy Music - S/T
Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F.
Girl - Sheer Greed
Lords Of The New Church - Method To Our Madness
Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love
Hanoi Rocks - Back To Mystery City
Twisted Sister - You Can't Stop Rock n Roll
The Dogs D'Amour - In The Dynamite Jet Saloon
The Throbs - The Language of Thieves and Vagabonds

feel free to pick any 10 of those

Trollheart 05-16-2015 05:57 PM

Prog rock

Yes - Close to the edge
Rush - 2112
Genesis - Selling England by the pound
King Crimson - In the court of the crimson king
Pink Floyd -Dark side of the moon
Marillion - Script for a jester's tear
Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick
Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn hearts
ELP (Emerson, Lake and Palmer) - Tarkus

That's just off the top of my head. Don't sue me.

Pet_Sounds 05-16-2015 08:24 PM

^ No Crime of the Century? :(

EDIT: Mind you, I realize how tough choosing only ten is, and you may have considered including it. Just wanted to make sure you hadn't forgotten it.

Frownland 05-16-2015 11:32 PM

I mean, at least Marrillion is helping the case for some of my favourite albums.

Trollheart 05-17-2015 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1590308)
^ No Crime of the Century? :(

EDIT: Mind you, I realize how tough choosing only ten is, and you may have considered including it. Just wanted to make sure you hadn't forgotten it.

Yeah that's the problem. I had to come up with ten which would be seen as pretty much indispensable to the genre. Don't see CotC as that to be honest. Great record though!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1590431)
I mean, at least Marrillion is helping the case for some of my favourite albums.

Guess one of your first choices is made before we even get to the prog rock section! :laughing:

The Batlord 05-17-2015 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1590173)
Here's a list of some proper Glam Rock as opposed to someone doing a list full of ****ty hair metal and calling it Glam Rock instead.

T. Rex - Electric Warrior
David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust
The Sensational Alex Harvey Band - Framed
New York Dolls - S/T
Kiss - Destroyer
Heavy Metal Kids - S/T
Silverhead - S/T
The Tubes - S/T
Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
Sweet - Desolation Boulevard
Mott The Hoople - Mott
Slade - Slayed
Roxy Music - S/T
Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F.
Girl - Sheer Greed
Lords Of The New Church - Method To Our Madness
Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love
Hanoi Rocks - Back To Mystery City
Twisted Sister - You Can't Stop Rock n Roll
The Dogs D'Amour - In The Dynamite Jet Saloon
The Throbs - The Language of Thieves and Vagabonds

feel free to pick any 10 of those

I've randomly decided to write this list first. Will have to go through all that **** before I can finalize it, so **** you.

Goofle 05-17-2015 07:28 AM

You better add Japan - Adolescent Sex too.

The Batlord 05-17-2015 10:50 PM

These are just the preliminary sketches of just a few of the lists I'm working on. Most obviously need to be filled in, all of them need review, and plenty more lists need to be started in the first place. I'm just looking for input at this stage. I'm working on glam rock ATM, and hope to have the battle officially up by Tuesday at the latest. Bear with me, I want to get this moving, but I don't like having half-assed lists that leave off important albums that I end up kicking myself over later.

* I'd have a lot more done, but I've been taking the last few days to transfer a ****load of files from my cloud drive to my new external hard drive, and it's kind of taking up most of my time and bandwidth.

Spoiler for Lists:
Glam Rock

1. T-Rex - Electric Warrior
2. David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars
3. New York Dolls - New York Dolls
4. Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
5. Roxy Music - Roxy Music
6. Slade - Slayed
7. Hanoi Rocks - Back to Mystery City
8. Sweet - Desolation Boulevard
9. Lou Reed - Transformer
10. Motley Crue - Too Fast for Love


Prog Rock

1. Yes - Close to the Edge
2. Rush - Moving Pictures
2. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
3. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
5. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
6. Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
7. Emerson, Lake And Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
8. Camel - Mirage
9. Soft Machine - Third
10. Gentle Giant - Octopus


Punk Rock

1. Ramones - Ramones
2. The Clash - London Calling
3. Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols
4. Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
5. Bad Religion - Suffer
6. X - Los Angeles
7. Descendants - Milo Goes to College


Proto-Punk

1. Iggy Pop and the Stooges - Raw Power
2. Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
3. Patti Smith - Horses
4. Television - Marquee Moon
5. The Modern Lovers - The Modern Lovers
6. MC5 - High Time
7. Death - For the Whole World to See


Post-Punk

1. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
2. Gang of Four - Entertainment!
3. Wire - Pink Flag
4. Pere Ubu - Dub Housing
5. PiL - Metal Box
6. The Fall - Hex Induction Hour
7. Swans - White Light from the Mouth of Infinity


Also, any suggestions of genres I'm leaving out would be appreciated. I've already realized I left ol' school rock'n'roll (e.g. Elvis, Chuck Berry, etc). Considering just how massive a genre rock is, I'm also wondering if I shouldn't include certain movements, like the British Invasion, on their own. I'm already doing krautrock after all (which is just artsy, German prog rock).

@ Urban Thanks for your glam suggestions. It gives me something to smugly point to when people complain about me putting Motley Crue on the same list as Lou Reed. Still making my way through a bunch of those albums though, as they're moderately hard to find.

BTW, I always thought of glam rock as more of an arty thing (Bowie and Roxy Music), but I never knew just how much a lot of it was rooted in straight-up blues. I don't know that I'll use them for glam, but The Sensational Alex Harvey Band could very well find themselves on the blues rock list.

Frownland 05-17-2015 11:11 PM

I propose a no wave list.

DNA - DNA on DNA
Teenage Jesus and the Jerks - Everything
The Lounge Lizards - The Lounge Lizards
Swans - Filth
James Chance and the Contortions - Buy
Daisuck & Prostitute ‎– 死ぬまで踊りつづけて
Glenn Branca - The Ascension
Massacre - Killing Time
Suicide - Suicide
The Birthday Party - Prayers on Fire

The Batlord 05-17-2015 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1590661)
I propose a no wave list.

DNA - DNA on DNA
Teenage Jesus and the Jerks - Everything
The Lounge Lizards - The Lounge Liazards
Swans - Filth
James Chance and the Contortions - Buy
Daisuck & Prostitute ‎– 死ぬまで踊りつづけて
Glenn Branca - The Ascension
Massacre - Killing Time
Suicide - Suicide
The Birthday Party - Prayers on Fire

I'm down, but are Suicide really no wave? They were around almost a decade earlier than any of those groups, and don't really share much in common with them musically. You've left off Confusion Is Sex. And I wouldn't normally use a compilation album, but considering how important it was, I think No New York should definitely be considered. Have to give most of the second half of that list a listen. Not to mention Mars' album. I don't remember how good it was, but it definitely bears revisiting.

Unknown Soldier 05-18-2015 02:49 AM

I think Urban has given you a very good glam list but it's a bit too diverse for it's own good. Maybe you need to simplify it even more or have two different sections there. I mean how are you going to put Motley Crue on a list with Roxy Music? I'd vote Motley Crue everytime there but the rest of the forum's non-metal fans would go with Roxy everytime, so you're going to end up with battles from bands that have two very different client bases.

I'd put bands like Roxy Music, Lou Reed and David Bowie on an Art Rock list and keep the glam list to those bands that have a rock/hard rock and metal feel on another one.

Btw will drum up some lists for you a bit later as well.

The Batlord 05-18-2015 04:49 AM

Before I pass out, this is what I've got so far.


Spoiler for idfbv:
Glam Rock

1. T-Rex - Electric Warrior
2. David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars
3. New York Dolls - New York Dolls
4. Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
5. Roxy Music - Roxy Music
6. Slade - Slayed
7. Hanoi Rocks - Back to Mystery City
8. Sweet - Desolation Boulevard
9. Lou Reed - Transformer
10. Motley Crue - Too Fast for Love


Punk Rock

1. Ramones - Ramones
2. The Clash - London Calling
3. Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols
4. Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
5. Bad Religion - Suffer
6. X - Los Angeles
7. Descendants - Milo Goes to College
8. Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime
9. Husker Du - Zen Arcade
10. The Damned - Machine Gun Etiquette


Proto-Punk

1. Iggy Pop and the Stooges - Raw Power
2. Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
3. Patti Smith - Horses
4. Television - Marquee Moon
5. The Modern Lovers - The Modern Lovers
6. MC5 - High Time
7. Death - For the Whole World to See
8. Radio Birdman - Radios Appear
9. The Monks - Black Monk Time
10. Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F.


Post-Punk

1. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
2. Gang of Four - Entertainment!
3. Wire - Pink Flag
4. Pere Ubu - Dub Housing
5. PiL - Metal Box
6. The Fall - Hex Induction Hour
7. Swans - White Light from the Mouth of Infinity
8. Killing Joke - Killing Joke
9. Talking Heads - Remain in Light
10. The Pop Group - Y


Prog Rock

1. Yes - Close to the Edge
2. Rush - Moving Pictures
2. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
3. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
5. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
6. Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
7. Emerson, Lake And Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
8. Camel - Mirage
9. Soft Machine - Third
10. Gentle Giant - Octopus


Rock and Roll

1. Elvis Presley - Elvis Presley
2. Little Richard - Here's Little Richard
3. Yardbirds - Having a Rave Up
4. Buddy Holly (The Crickets) - The "Chirping" Crickets
5. The Who - My Generation
6. The Rolling Stones - Aftermath [UK version]
7. Small Faces - The Small Faces ['66 debut]
8. Bo Diddley - Have Guitar, Will Travel
9. Chuck Berry - Berry Is on Top
10. The Animals - The Animals [UK version]
11. Them - The "Angry" Young Them [UK version]
(can't narrow it down between the last two)


Blues Rock

1. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
2. Cream - Disraeli Gears
3. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin I
4. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St.
5. Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Safe as Milk
6. The Doors - L.A. Woman
7. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
8. Janis Joplin - Pearl
9. Dr. Feelgood - Down by the Jetty
10. The Stooges - The Stooges


Psychedelic Rock

1. The Beatles - Revolver
2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
3. The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
4. The Doors - The Doors
5. Love - Forever Changes
6. Pink Floyd - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
7. Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow
8. Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion
9. Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground & Nico
10. The Kinks - The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society


Garage Rock

1. The Sonics - Here Are the Sonics!!!
2. The White Stripes - Elephant
3. The Cramps - Songs the Lord Taught Us
4. The Hives - Veni Vidi Vicious
5. The Dirtbombs - Ultraglide in Black
6. The Troggs - From Nowhere
7. The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Orange
8. The Flamin' Groovies - Teenage Head
9. The Seeds - The Seeds
10. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever to Tell


Britpop

1. The Auteurs - New Wave
2. Elastica - Elastica
3. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
4. Blur - Parklife
5. Suede - Dog Man Star
6. Pulp - Different Class
7. Manic Street Preachers - Everything Must Go
8. Doves - Lost Souls
9. Travis - The Man Who
10. The Verve - Urban Hymns


Krautrock

1. Sand - Golem
2. Faust - Faust IV
3. Neu! - Neu!
4. Can - Tago Mago
5. Amon Düül II - Yeti
6. Kraftwerk - Autobahn
7. Popol Vuh - In den Gärten Pharaos
8. Cluster - Zuckerzeit
9. Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation
10. Harmonia - Musik Von Harmonia

Oriphiel 05-18-2015 08:14 AM

For Glam Rock, Suzi Quatro had a killer debut album, and it's consistently rated as one of the best Glam albums of the UK...



For Garage Rock, Paul Revere and the Raiders were way more awesome and influential than some of those choices in my opinion, and "Midnight Ride" is a killer album (especially the song "Steppin' Stone", which went on to become one of the most popular and defining songs of Garage and Punk Rock. Everyone from The Monkees to The Sex Pistols got in on the Steppin' Stone action)...



And for Proto Punk, you could basically just call it "Garage Rock Part Two" :laughing:. Anyway, don't forget about Killing Floor. Also, a bunch of Garage bands had some good albums with Punk moments here and there, like The La De Das, The Zakary Thaks, and The Shadows of Knight...

Spoiler for examples:

Frownland 05-18-2015 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1590666)
I'm down, but are Suicide really no wave? They were around almost a decade earlier than any of those groups, and don't really share much in common with them musically. You've left off Confusion Is Sex. And I wouldn't normally use a compilation album, but considering how important it was, I think No New York should definitely be considered. Have to give most of the second half of that list a listen. Not to mention Mars' album. I don't remember how good it was, but it definitely bears revisiting.

They're normally lumped in with the movement with the pioneer label, which is why I put them on there. Though I think that Mars can take their slot with their Mars Live album. I considered putting No New York up, but we already have TJ and the Jerks, the Contortions, DNA, and now Mars on the list so everyone on that compilation is already being represented. As far as Confusion Is Sex, I didn't pick that because I like all of these albums more. If we had to put it on there for influence's sake, we can toss out Lounge Lizards since they're the least no wave-y of the bunch (I'd rather not because they're way better than SY in any case).

EDIT: This Heat's Deceit deserves a spot on the post-punk list for not only being one of the best post punk records but also for being one of the best all around records. I think it'd be safe to take Talking Heads off and put Remain in Light in a new wave battle instead of post punk to make a spot of Deceit. TH is still post punk, it's just that their new wave element is a little higher up on their totem pole of styles. It'd also be nice to see Television's Marquee Moon on the list, but it's difficult thinking of who to throw off.

EDIT (PART TWO): USA and Fifty Foot Hose should replace a few of the questionable albums on the psychedelic rock list.

The Batlord 05-18-2015 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1590727)
For Garage Rock, Paul Revere and the Raiders were way more awesome and influential than some of those choices in my opinion, and "Midnight Ride" is a killer album (especially the song "Steppin' Stone", which went on to become one of the most popular and defining songs of Garage and Punk Rock. Everyone from The Monkees to The Sex Pistols got in on the Steppin' Stone action)...



And for Proto Punk, you could basically just call it "Garage Rock Part Two" :laughing:. Anyway, don't forget about Killing Floor. Also, a bunch of Garage bands had some good albums with Punk moments here and there, like The La De Das, The Zakary Thaks, and The Shadows of Knight...

Spoiler for examples:

The problem with garage rock, is that most of it was inferior imitations of British Invasion bands. They'd have a good single or two, but mediocre albums. Most of the actual good sixties garage rock bands did something beyond just make frat rock anthems (e.g. the Stooges, the Monks, the Sonics) Do you really think Paul Revere and the Raiders have an album that has any place in the same thread as early Rolling Stones or Little Richard?

That's why I took a liberal view to garage rock, otherwise the list would just be the redheaded stepchild of the rock and roll list. Garage rock revival bands for the most part are far superior to the bands that inspired them. And I threw Jon Spencer in there cause he's garage rock enough to qualify, and I just wouldn't know where else to put him.

The Batlord 05-18-2015 07:23 PM

I think I'm starting with straight up rock and roll as it was a relatively easy list to come up with. Any problems with this list before we officially begin?

And if anyone is bothered by the relative lack of early cracker rock like Jerry Lee Lewis or Gene Vincent, then you can suck it. White people didn't catch up to black rock and roll until the British learned how to do it in the sixties. Deal with it. If I could justify taking Elvis and Buddy Holly off the list, I'd do it in an instant.

Rock and Roll

1. Elvis Presley - Elvis Presley
2. Little Richard - Here's Little Richard
3. Yardbirds - Having a Rave Up
4. Buddy Holly (The Crickets) - The "Chirping" Crickets
5. The Who - My Generation
6. The Rolling Stones - Aftermath [UK version]
7. Small Faces - The Small Faces ['66 debut]
8. Bo Diddley - Have Guitar, Will Travel
9. Chuck Berry - Berry Is on Top
10. The Animals - The Animals [UK version]

Goofle 05-18-2015 07:27 PM

May as well get the crappy ones out of the way first.

The Batlord 05-18-2015 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1590961)
May as well get the crappy ones out of the way first.

Talk to Bo Diddley's hand, until it hits you in the face.

Unknown Soldier 05-19-2015 06:22 AM

The only person on this forum that I'm even aware of that likes this ancient 50s stuff is Neapolitan and I think Janszoon likes it as well. So you've got just two players there Batty, not even an old man like Trollheart listens to this stuff ;)

The Batlord 05-19-2015 06:25 AM

Not my fault if a bunch of idiots need their music to be shiny.


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